On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Greg KH wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 03:05:26PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: >> > >> > And who defined that it should not be used in real code? >> >> Linus did, in a different firmware thread. You have to _really_ know >> what you are doing to use this interface, and the firmware interface >> shouldn't be using it. So adding new apis just for firmware does not >> seem like a wise decision at this point in time. > > So it's not about code in general, it's about a particular piece of > code. Fair enough. Well, I'd actually say it the other way around: swait should not be used in general, only in _very_ particular pieces of code that actually explicitly need the odd swait semantics. swait uses special locking and has odd semantics that are not at all the same as the default wait queue ones. It should not be used without very strong reasons (and honestly, the only strong enough reason seems to be "RT"). The special locking means that swait doesn't do DEBUG_LOCK_ALLOC, but it also means that it doesn't even work in all contexts. So "swake_up()" does surprising things (only wake up one - that's what caused a firmware loading bug), and "swake_up_all()" has magic rules about interrupt disabling. The thing is simply a collection of small hacks and should NOT be used in general. I never want to see a driver use that code, for example. It was designed for RCU and RT, and it should damn well be limited to that. Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-api" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html