On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 10:27:47AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > [adding linux-api. whoops.] > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > PR_SET_TSC / PR_TSC_SIGSEGV is a security feature to prevent heavily > > sandboxed programs from learning the time, presumably to avoid > > disclosing the wall clock and to make timing attacks much harder to > > exploit. > > > > Unfortunately, this feature is very insecure, for multiple reasons, > > and has probably been insecure since before it was written. > > > > Weakness 1: Before Linux 3.16, the vvar page and the HPET (!) were > > part of the kernel's fixmap, so any user process could read them. > > The vvar page contains low-resolution timing information (with real > > wall clock and frequency data), and the HPET can be used for high > > precision timing. Even in Linux 3.16, there clean way to disable > > access to these pages. > > > > Weakness 2: On most configurations, most or all userspace processes > > have unrestricted access to RDPMC, which is even better than RDTSC > > for exploiting timing attacks. > > > > I would like to fix both of these issues. I want to deny access to > > RDPMC to processes that haven't asked for access via > > perf_event_open. I also want to implement real TSC blocking, which > > will require some vdso enhancements So the problem with the default deny is that its: 1) pointless -- the attacker can do sys_perf_event_open() just fine; 2) and expensive -- the people trying to measure performance get the penalty of the CR4 write. So I would suggest a default on, but allow a disable for the seccomp users, which might have also disabled the syscall. Note that is is possible to disable RDPMC while still allowing the syscall. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-api" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html