On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 01:48:41PM +0100, André Przywara wrote:
> On 11/05/2020 13:04, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:44:26PM +0100, André Przywara wrote:
> >> On 11/05/2020 12:20, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 04:15:57PM +0530, Amit Tomer wrote:
> >>>> Hi
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the reply.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm in favor of getting rid of bitfields due to its not so defined way of
> >>>>> working (and forgive me for using it in first place) but I don't quite like
> >>>>> the current approach.
> >>>>
> >>>> Because , its less readable the way we are writing to those different fields ?
> >>>> But this can be made more verbose by adding some comments around .
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't like the way the hw linked lists are accessed (using an array with
> >>> enums).
> >>
> >> But honestly this is the most sane way of doing this, see below.
> >>
> >>>>> Rather I'd like to have custom bitmasks (S900/S700/S500?) for writing to those
> >>>>> fields.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I think S900 and S500 are same as pointed out by Cristian. and I didn't get by
> >>>> creating custom bitmasks for it ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Did you mean function like:
> >>>>
> >>>> lli->hw[OWL_DMADESC_FLEN]= llc_hw_FLEN(len, FCNT_VALUE, FCNT_SHIFT);
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I meant to keep using old struct for accessing the linked list and replacing
> >>> bitfields with masks as below:
> >>>
> >>> struct owl_dma_lli_hw {
> >>> ...
> >>> u32 flen;
> >>> u32 fcnt;
> >>> ...
> >>> };
> >>
> >> And is think this is the wrong way of modelling hardware defined
> >> register fields. C structs have no guarantee of not introducing padding
> >> in between fields, the only guarantee you get is that the first member
> >> has no padding *before* it:
> >> C standard, section 6.7.2.1, end of paragraph 15:
> >> "There may be unnamed padding within a structure object, but not at its
> >> beginning."
> >>
> >> Arrays in C on the contrary have very much this guarantee: The members
> >> are next to each other, no padding.
> >>
> >> I see that structs are sometimes used in this function, but it's much
> >> less common in the kernel than in other projects (U-Boot comes to mind).
> >> It typically works, because common compiler *implementations* provide
> >> this guarantee, but we should not rely on this.
> >>
> >> So:
> >> Using enums for the keys provides a natural way of increasing indices,
> >> without gaps. Also you get this nice and automatic size value by making
> >> this the last member of the enum.
> >> Arrays provide the guarantee of consecutive allocation.
> >>
> >
> > I agree with your concerns of using struct for defining registers. But we can
> > safely live with the existing implementation since all fields are u32 and if
>
> But why, actually? I can understand that this is done in existing code,
> because this was done in the past and apparently never challenged. And
> since it seems to work, at least, there is probably not much reason to
> change it, just for the sake of it.
> But if we need to rework this anyway, we should do the right thing. This
> is especially true in the Linux kernel, which is highly critical and
> privileged code and also aims to be very portable. We should take no
> chances here.
>
I gave it a spin and I think it makes sense to stick to arrays. I do talk to
a compiler guy internally and he recommended to not trust compilers to do the
right thing for non standard behaviour like this.
> Honestly I don't understand the advantage of using a struct here,
> especially if you need to play some tricks (__packed__) to make it work.
> So why is:
> hw->flen
> so much better than
> hw[DMA_FLEN]
To be honest this looks ugly to me and that's why I was reluctant. But lets not
worry about it :)
> that it justifies to introduce dodgy code?
>
> In think in general we should be much more careful when using C language
> constructs to access hardware or hardware defined data structures, and
> be it to not give people the wrong idea about this.
> I think with the advance of more optimising compilers (and, somewhat
> related, more out-of-order CPUs) the chance of breakage becomes much
> higher here.
>
Only way it can go wrong is, if a nasty compiler adds padding eventhough the
struct is homogeneous. And yeah, let's be on the safe side.
Sorry for stretching this so long!
Thanks,
Mani
> Cheers,
> Andre.
>
> > needed we can also add '__packed' flag to it to avoid padding for any cases.
> >
> > The reason why I prefer to stick to this is, this is a hardware linked list and
> > by defining it as an array and accessing the fields using enums looks awful to
> > me. Other than that there is no real justification to shy away.
> >
> > When you are modelling a plain register bank (which we are also doing in this
> > driver), I'd prefer to use the defines directly.
> >
> >> We can surely have a look at the masking problem, but this would need to
> >> be runtime determined masks, which tend to become "wordy". There can be
> >> simplifications, for instance I couldn't find where the frame length is
> >> really limited for the S900 (it must be less than 1MB). Since the S700
> >> supports *more* than that, there is no need to limit this differently.
> >
> > I was just giving an example of how to handle the bitmasks for different
> > SoCs if needed. So yeah if it can be avoided, feel free to drop it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mani
> >
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andre.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> hw->flen = len & OWL_S900_DMA_FLEN_MASK;
> >>> hw->fcnt = 1 & OWL_S900_DMA_FCNT_MASK;
> >>>
> >>> Then you can use different masks for S700/S900 based on the compatible.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Mani
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>> -Amit
> >>
>
_______________________________________________
linux-actions mailing list
linux-actions@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-actions
