On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 02:03:00PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thursday 30 April 2015 12:46:15 Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 12:24:12PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > In particular, there are two common models that we support in Linux:
> > >
> > > a) embedded ARM32 and others
> > >
> > > dma_alloc_non_coherent() == dma_alloc_coherent() == alloc uncached
> > > dma_cache_sync() == not supportable
> > > dma_sync_{single,sg,page}_for_{device,cpu} == {flush, invalidate, ...}
> > >
> > > b) NUMA servers (parisc, itanium) and others
> > >
> > > dma_alloc_noncoherent() == alloc cached
> >
> > This would lead to mismatched memory attributes on ARM/arm64.
>
> How so? This is just what __dma_alloc() on arm64 does for
> coherent devices:
>
> /* no need for non-cacheable mapping if coherent */
> if (coherent)
> return ptr;
Ok, I thought that you were only describing the cases when the device is
non-coherent (_CCA=0). Otherwise, your assertion above that
dma_alloc_coherent == alloc uncached isn't true for coherent devices.
So now I'm confused...
> > > dma_alloc_coherent() == alloc uncached
> > > dma_sync_{single,sg,page}_for_{device,cpu} == dma_cache_sync() == cache sync
> >
> > Cache sync doesn't exist in the ARM/arm64architecture, what are the
> > semantics supposed to be? Maybe it's just DSB for us (complete all pending
> > maintenance).
>
> It ensures that a state of a buffer as observed by CPU and device is
> identical. It's possible that we removed all platforms that did something
> interesting here, so it's one of these:
>
> a) On architectures that are mostly coherent, it's a barrier
> that is broadcast to all devices, like I assume DSB is. IA64
> currently does this for all machines, but IIRC it used to
> access some cluster interconnect at some point to enforce a
> flush.
> The ARM32 based ArmadaXP also falls into this model if the cache
> coherency fabric is enabled, as that needs to be synchronized
> b) On architectures where the device may not see the state of the cache,
> but the CPU is always aware of anything the device sends it,
> it flushes the cache. This seems to be the case on parisc,
> and in particular, there are some variants that do not support
> dma_alloc_coherent but only dma_alloc_noncoherent.
> c) On architectures that need the synchronization both ways,
> it does (almost) the same invalidate/clean/flush thing as
> ARM, except it doesn't have to worry about cache lines from
> speculative prefetch which make it impossible to implement on
> ARM.
Okey doke, thanks for the explanation. It sounds like we can just build
the primitive out of the existing cache maintenance routines if we need
to implement it.
> > > There are probably other models that could happen, but the patch
> > > set seems to assume a) is the only possible model, while the
> > > architecture description you cite seems to still allow both a) and
> > > b), as well as some variations, and it's possible that we will
> > > see b) on arm64 servers but not a)
> >
> > Well, we should be careful not to confuse the ACPI spec with the ARM
> > architecture. The latter is more permissive, but does disallow system
> > caches that do not respect broadcast maintenance.
> >
> > It's also worth pointing out that the architecture doesn't distinguish
> > between embedded and server machines using A-class processors.
> >
> > > You could also have a system that requires cache invalidation for
> > > sending data from the device to memory, but does not require anything
> > > for memory-to-device data, or you could have the opposite.
> >
> > You could theoretically build all sorts of strange devices, but that doesn't
> > mean we have to support them. In the case you describe, they'd have to put
> > up with the cost of redundant cache cleaning but it should at least function
> > correctly.
>
> Which case would a variant of ArmadaXP with a 64-bit core fall into then?
> Do I understand it right that requiring to sync the coherency fabric
> would make it noncompliant with ACPI but still architecturally compliant?
I would say that the ArmadaXP coherency fabric is not compliant with ARMv8
as it requires additional steps over those cache maintenance instructions
described by the architecture (i.e. it falls into class (1) of the three
classes of system cache in the architecture).
> I guess we could handle that case as well, by requiring any ACPI based
> firmware to turn off the coherency fabric on that system and just making
> it dog slow.
We already require something similar in Documentation/arm64/booting.txt:
`System caches which do not respect architected cache maintenance by VA
operations (not recommended) must be configured and disabled.'
Will
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