Hi All, I was already considering asking for $subject for a while, but I did not see any bug reports caused by it so I didn't ask. Until today I discovered that I'm not seeing any bugs because Fedora is carrying a kernel patch changing the default. A quick google search for brightness_switch_enabled OTOH reveals that for other distros it is a serious problem, see ie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/527157 http://askubuntu.com/questions/173921/why-does-my-thinkpad-brightness-control-skip-steps The problem is that acpi-video is unique in that it not only generates brightness up/down keypresses, but also (sometimes) actively changes the brightness itself. This presents an inconsistent kernel interface to userspace, basically there are 2 different scenarios, depending on the laptop model: 1) On some laptops a brightness up/down keypress means: show a brightness osd with the current brightness, iow it is a brightness has changed notification. 2) Where as on (a lot of) other laptops it means a brightness up/down key was pressed, deal with it. Most of the desktop environments interpret any press as in scenario 2, and change the brightness up / down as a response to the key events, causing it to be changed twice, once by acpi-video and once by the DE. With the new default for video.use_native_backlight we will be moving even more laptops over to behaving as in scenario 2. Making the remaining laptops even more of a weird exception. Also note that it is hard to detect scenario 1 properly in userspace, and AFAIK none of the DE-s deasls with it. Therefor I would like to propose to change the brightness_switch_enabled default to 0. Regards, Hans -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-acpi" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html