Ron, On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 at 18:37, ron minnich <rminnich@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I'm trying hard not to get sucked into this argument, but it is, at > least, impolite, to accuse us of engaging in hand-wavery. There's > probably more UEFI expertise in coreboot and oreboot than most > places, and that's precisely why we want a non-UEFI > option. Familiarity with UEFI did not breed respect. If my reply was interpreted as rude, please accept my apologies. That was not my intention. > So can we get back to the business at hand? bytedance may be the > company proposing this change, but they are certainly not the only > company interested in seeing it happen. A project I'm involved in > needs this work to go through. I noted that the discussion continued from Ard's reply (which, no surprise, resonates with my worldview :-)): https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/CAMj1kXFZren0Q19DimwQaETCLz64D4bZQC5B2N=i3SAWHygkTQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ Let's continue there. Björn