On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, Len Brown wrote: > and if they did, nobody updates their bios anyway. Actually, that only depends on us. If you drop support for people using known-bad BIOS versions that give you greif, they have no choice but to go away, or to upgrade. And so far, I have never had anyone complain that they had to update their thinkpad BIOS and just go away. Of course, I am terribly nice about it when I ask someone to upgrade their BIOS, but still... On the thinkpad-specific case, I don't actually mind tracking down the last-known-sane BIOS version for every thinkpad model and bitching like a madman on thinkpad-acpi telling people to update because it is known buggy and unsupported if their BIOS is too old. We already sort of track every important BIOS version of every model anyway in ThinkWiki... I can easily see the T61 and X61 as prime candidates for a "upgrade the BIOS before reporting any bugs" printk. > > Perhaps if there was a well documented, "this is what we want" from > > the Linux community, which can then get communicated to Lenovo, HP, > > Dell, etc.? This document could include a request that Laptop vendors > > document how various things work when they do vendor-specific things, > > and also documenting what Linux is doing today because we believe it's > > what is the Windows-compatible behaviour. > > vendors who care about Linux run this: > > http://linuxfirmwarekit.org/ > > So I think if shout there, then it we'll be heard. Indeed. But are we allowed to drop support on any BIOS that fails those checks as soon as there is a new version of that BIOS that doesn't? -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-acpi" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html