RE: PROBLEM: CPU fan shuts down on load of fan.ko in kernel 2.6.18 and later

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Hi Matthew,

Could you please perform the following testing:

1. boot, make sure the fan doesn't spin.

2. do 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal/*/*', check the following:
	- the 'state' field shows 'active[<smthng>]'
	(if not - perform some CPU-intensive task);
	- fan still doesn't spin,

3. do 'cat /proc/acpi/fan/*/state', check the following:
	- the 'status' field shows 'on' (at least one of them);
	- fan still doesn't spin,

4a. do consequently (as root) the following: 
	- 'echo 3 > /proc/acpi/fan/*/state'
	- 'echo 0 > /proc/acpi/fan/*/state'
	(the fan should be that one, which shown 'on' in step 3)

4b. (if step 3 failed) do (as root) 'echo 0 > /proc/acpi/fan/*/state'
consequently for each fan device under /proc/acpi/fan/, check the
following:
	- fans start spinning;
	- fans' states are correct ('cat /proc/acpi/fan/*/state'
command)

5. check if the fan(s) start spinning.

Please, get back to me with the results, test flow description and
commands' outputs.

Also, you could try the patches from bugs ##7122, 7570 for 2.6.20-rc3 to
see if it help.


Regards.
Konstantin.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: linux-acpi-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:linux-acpi-
>owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew Brett
>Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:15 PM
>To: linux-acpi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: PROBLEM: CPU fan shuts down on load of fan.ko in kernel 2.6.18
and
>later
>
>Hi,
>
>CPU fan shuts down on load of fan.ko in kernel 2.6.18 and later
>
>On my emachines 370, the CPU fan stops immediately on load of fan.ko
>during boot up.  It does not seem to come back on again even on high
>CPU load and very hot heatsink.  Removing fan.ko from the drivers/acpi
>directory solves the problem, but insmodding fan.ko after boot again
>stops the fan. 2.6.17 vanilla does not show the problem, nor does
>2.6.17-5mdv (Mandriva) but 2.6.18, 2.6.19.1, and 2.6.20-rc2 do. The
>problem seems to have been noticed before on Suse:
>
>http://www.suseforums.net/lofiversion/index.php/t28013.html
>
>The machine is an otherwise well behaved celeron 1.8, 1GB memory,
>with Trigem imperial GL VE motherboard, phoenix bios.
>
>Keywords: fan, cpu, acpi, driver
>
>To reproduce: boot sequence inserting fan.ko, or insmod fan.ko after
>boot.
>
>Other bug report details follow,
>
>Thanks a lot,
>
>Matthew
>
>
>Environment:
>
>Linux bob.dynevor.org 2.6.20-rc2emach #0 SMP Thu Dec 28 09:55:13 GMT
>2006 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.80GHz GNU/Linux
>
>Gnu C                  4.1.1
>Gnu make               3.81
>binutils               2.16.91.0.7
>util-linux             2.12r
>mount                  2.12r
>module-init-tools      3.2.2
>e2fsprogs              1.39
>PPP                    2.4.3
>Linux C Library        > libc.2.4
>Dynamic linker (ldd)   2.4
>Procps                 3.2.6
>Net-tools              1.60
>Console-tools          0.2.3
>Sh-utils               5.97
>udev                   098
>wireless-tools         28
>Modules Loaded         i915 drm autofs4 ipv6 usblp rfcomm snd_pcm_oss
>snd_mixer_oss snd_usb_audio snd_pcm snd_timer l2cap snd_page_alloc
>bluetooth snd_usb_lib snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd_hwdep snd
>soundcore 8139too mii af_packet ide_cd binfmt_misc loop vfat fat
>dm_mod video thermal processor fan container button battery asus_acpi
>backlight ac cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_powersave
>p4_clockmod speedstep_lib freq_table intel_agp agpgart nvram sr_mod
>scsi_mod evdev tsdev usbmouse usbhid hid ehci_hcd ff_memless uhci_hcd
>usbcore ext3 jbd
>
>cat /proc/cpuinfo
>processor       : 0
>vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
>cpu family      : 15
>model           : 1
>model name      : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.80GHz
>stepping        : 3
>cpu MHz         : 1800.000
>cache size      : 128 KB
>fdiv_bug        : no
>hlt_bug         : no
>f00f_bug        : no
>coma_bug        : no
>fpu             : yes
>fpu_exception   : yes
>cpuid level     : 2
>wp              : yes
>flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
>mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm up
>bogomips        : 3584.28
>
>cat /proc/modules
>i915 24448 2 - Live 0xf8b9e000
>drm 71444 3 i915, Live 0xf8bac000
>autofs4 20740 1 - Live 0xf8b72000
>ipv6 242848 16 - Live 0xf8bdd000
>usblp 15232 0 - Live 0xf89ad000
>rfcomm 38552 2 - Live 0xf8b8a000
>snd_pcm_oss 40864 0 - Live 0xf8b7f000
>snd_mixer_oss 17536 1 snd_pcm_oss, Live 0xf8b6c000
>snd_usb_audio 75360 0 - Live 0xf8b44000
>snd_pcm 68996 2 snd_pcm_oss,snd_usb_audio, Live 0xf8b5a000
>snd_timer 21508 1 snd_pcm, Live 0xf8b3d000
>l2cap 26624 5 rfcomm, Live 0xf8b27000
>snd_page_alloc 11400 1 snd_pcm, Live 0xf8b11000
>bluetooth 50916 4 rfcomm,l2cap, Live 0xf8b2f000
>snd_usb_lib 17408 1 snd_usb_audio, Live 0xf8b18000
>snd_rawmidi 21920 1 snd_usb_lib, Live 0xf8afd000
>snd_seq_device 10252 1 snd_rawmidi, Live 0xf8af9000
>snd_hwdep 10500 1 snd_usb_audio, Live 0xf8af5000
>snd 45668 8
>snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,s
nd_s
>eq_device,snd_hwdep,
>Live 0xf8b04000
>soundcore 9824 1 snd, Live 0xf8af1000
>8139too 25344 0 - Live 0xf8ade000
>mii 8576 1 8139too, Live 0xf8ada000
>af_packet 23304 2 - Live 0xf89b7000
>ide_cd 37920 0 - Live 0xf8ae6000
>binfmt_misc 12680 1 - Live 0xf89b2000
>loop 16264 0 - Live 0xf8995000
>vfat 13952 0 - Live 0xf899a000
>fat 47772 1 vfat, Live 0xf8acd000
>dm_mod 50252 0 - Live 0xf89be000
>video 17668 0 - Live 0xf89a7000
>thermal 15240 0 - Live 0xf88ee000
>processor 28520 1 thermal, Live 0xf899f000
>fan 7556 0 - Live 0xf8992000
>container 7296 0 - Live 0xf898f000
>button 10000 0 - Live 0xf8985000
>battery 12036 0 - Live 0xf8981000
>asus_acpi 18972 0 - Live 0xf8989000
>backlight 8448 1 asus_acpi, Live 0xf88fa000
>ac 7812 0 - Live 0xf88f7000
>cpufreq_ondemand 10508 0 - Live 0xf88f3000
>cpufreq_conservative 9992 0 - Live 0xf88b4000
>cpufreq_powersave 5632 0 - Live 0xf88cb000
>p4_clockmod 8708 0 - Live 0xf88c7000
>speedstep_lib 7940 1 p4_clockmod, Live 0xf88bb000
>freq_table 7936 2 cpufreq_ondemand,p4_clockmod, Live 0xf88b8000
>intel_agp 24092 1 - Live 0xf88a7000
>agpgart 29128 3 drm,intel_agp, Live 0xf88be000
>nvram 11144 0 - Live 0xf8898000
>sr_mod 17828 0 - Live 0xf88ae000
>scsi_mod 122124 1 sr_mod, Live 0xf88cf000
>evdev 11904 1 - Live 0xf8894000
>tsdev 10048 0 - Live 0xf8890000
>usbmouse 8192 0 - Live 0xf885a000
>usbhid 36896 0 - Live 0xf889c000
>hid 27268 1 usbhid, Live 0xf887d000
>ehci_hcd 31500 0 - Live 0xf8887000
>ff_memless 8840 1 usbhid, Live 0xf881c000
>uhci_hcd 24080 0 - Live 0xf8825000
>usbcore 115720 8
>usblp,snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,usbmouse,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd,
>Live 0xf883c000
>ext3 117128 1 - Live 0xf885f000
>jbd 52008 1 ext3, Live 0xf882e000
>
>cat /proc/ioports
>0000-001f : dma1
>0020-0021 : pic1
>0040-0043 : timer0
>0050-0053 : timer1
>0060-006f : keyboard
>0070-0077 : rtc
>0080-008f : dma page reg
>00a0-00a1 : pic2
>00c0-00df : dma2
>00f0-00ff : fpu
>0170-0177 : 0000:00:1f.1
>  0170-0177 : ide1
>01f0-01f7 : 0000:00:1f.1
>  01f0-01f7 : ide0
>0376-0376 : 0000:00:1f.1
>  0376-0376 : ide1
>03c0-03df : vga+
>03f6-03f6 : 0000:00:1f.1
>  03f6-03f6 : ide0
>03f8-03ff : serial
>0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
>1000-107f : 0000:00:1f.0
>  1000-107f : motherboard
>    1000-1003 : ACPI PM1a_EVT_BLK
>    1004-1005 : ACPI PM1a_CNT_BLK
>    1008-100b : ACPI PM_TMR
>    1010-1015 : ACPI CPU throttle
>    1020-1020 : ACPI PM2_CNT_BLK
>    1028-102f : ACPI GPE0_BLK
>1180-11bf : 0000:00:1f.0
>  1180-11bf : motherboard
>1800-181f : 0000:00:1d.0
>  1800-181f : uhci_hcd
>1820-183f : 0000:00:1d.1
>  1820-183f : uhci_hcd
>1840-185f : 0000:00:1d.2
>  1840-185f : uhci_hcd
>1860-186f : 0000:00:1f.1
>  1860-1867 : ide0
>  1868-186f : ide1
>1880-189f : 0000:00:1f.3
>18c0-18ff : 0000:00:1f.5
>1c00-1cff : 0000:00:1f.5
>2000-2fff : PCI Bus #02
>  2000-20ff : 0000:02:02.0
>
>cat /proc/ioports
>0000-001f : dma1
>0020-0021 : pic1
>0040-0043 : timer0
>0050-0053 : timer1
>0060-006f : keyboard
>0070-0077 : rtc
>0080-008f : dma page reg
>00a0-00a1 : pic2
>00c0-00df : dma2
>00f0-00ff : fpu
>0170-0177 : 0000:00:1f.1
>  0170-0177 : ide1
>01f0-01f7 : 0000:00:1f.1
>  01f0-01f7 : ide0
>0376-0376 : 0000:00:1f.1
>  0376-0376 : ide1
>03c0-03df : vga+
>03f6-03f6 : 0000:00:1f.1
>  03f6-03f6 : ide0
>03f8-03ff : serial
>0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
>1000-107f : 0000:00:1f.0
>  1000-107f : motherboard
>    1000-1003 : ACPI PM1a_EVT_BLK
>    1004-1005 : ACPI PM1a_CNT_BLK
>    1008-100b : ACPI PM_TMR
>    1010-1015 : ACPI CPU throttle
>    1020-1020 : ACPI PM2_CNT_BLK
>    1028-102f : ACPI GPE0_BLK
>1180-11bf : 0000:00:1f.0
>  1180-11bf : motherboard
>1800-181f : 0000:00:1d.0
>  1800-181f : uhci_hcd
>1820-183f : 0000:00:1d.1
>  1820-183f : uhci_hcd
>1840-185f : 0000:00:1d.2
>  1840-185f : uhci_hcd
>1860-186f : 0000:00:1f.1
>  1860-1867 : ide0
>  1868-186f : ide1
>1880-189f : 0000:00:1f.3
>18c0-18ff : 0000:00:1f.5
>1c00-1cff : 0000:00:1f.5
>2000-2fff : PCI Bus #02
>  2000-20ff : 0000:02:02.0
>    2000-20ff : 8139too
>fe00-fe00 : motherboard
>[root@bob ~]#
>[root@bob ~]# cat /proc/iomem
>00000000-0009efff : System RAM
>  00000000-00000000 : Crash kernel
>0009f000-0009ffff : reserved
>000a0000-000bffff : Video RAM area
>000c0000-000c7fff : Video ROM
>000f0000-000fffff : System ROM
>00100000-3fceffff : System RAM
>  00100000-002e9ef0 : Kernel code
>  002e9ef1-003a23f3 : Kernel data
>3fcf0000-3fcfefff : ACPI Tables
>3fcff000-3fcfffff : ACPI Non-volatile Storage
>3fd00000-3fe7ffff : System RAM
>3fe80000-3fffffff : reserved
>50000000-500003ff : 0000:00:1f.1
>e8000000-e807ffff : 0000:00:02.0
>e8080000-e80803ff : 0000:00:1d.7
>  e8080000-e80803ff : ehci_hcd
>e8080800-e80808ff : 0000:00:1f.5
>e8080c00-e8080dff : 0000:00:1f.5
>e8100000-e81fffff : PCI Bus #02
>  e8100000-e81000ff : 0000:02:02.0
>    e8100000-e81000ff : 8139too
>ec000000-efffffff : 0000:00:00.0
>f0000000-f7ffffff : 0000:00:02.0
>ff800000-ffbfffff : reserved
>fff00000-ffffffff : reserved
>
>lspci -vvv
>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE
>DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort-
><TAbort- <MAbort+ >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 0
>        Region 0: Memory at ec000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
>        Capabilities: [e4] Vendor Specific Information
>
>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation
>82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
>(prog-if 00 [VGA])
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort-
><TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 0
>        Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 17
>        Region 0: Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
>        Region 1: Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
[size=512K]
>        Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 1
>                Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA
>PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
>                Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
>
>00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
>(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) (prog-if 00
>[UHCI])
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 0
>        Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 17
>        Region 4: I/O ports at 1800 [size=32]
>
>00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
>(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) (prog-if 00
>[UHCI])
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 0
>        Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 18
>        Region 4: I/O ports at 1820 [size=32]
>
>00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
>(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) (prog-if 00
>[UHCI])
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 0
>        Interrupt: pin C routed to IRQ 16
>        Region 4: I/O ports at 1840 [size=32]
>
>00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M)
>USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 0
>        Interrupt: pin D routed to IRQ 19
>        Region 0: Memory at e8080000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
[size=1K]
>        Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
>                Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=375mA
>PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
>                Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
>
>00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 81)
>(prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort-
><TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+
>        Latency: 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=32
>        I/O behind bridge: 00002000-00002fff
>        Memory behind bridge: e8100000-e81fffff
>        Prefetchable memory behind bridge: fff00000-000fffff
>        Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ <SERR- <PERR-
>        BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR- NoISA+ VGA- MAbort- >Reset- FastB2B-
>
>00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC
>Interface Bridge (rev 01)
>        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle+ MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 0
>
>00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller
>(rev 01) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 0
>        Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16
>        Region 0: I/O ports at 01f0 [size=8]
>        Region 1: I/O ports at 03f4 [size=1]
>        Region 2: I/O ports at 0170 [size=8]
>        Region 3: I/O ports at 0374 [size=1]
>        Region 4: I/O ports at 1860 [size=16]
>        Region 5: Memory at 50000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
[size=1K]
>
>00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M)
>SMBus Controller (rev 01)
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 9
>        Region 4: I/O ports at 1880 [size=32]
>
>00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
>(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 0
>        Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 9
>        Region 0: I/O ports at 1c00 [size=256]
>        Region 1: I/O ports at 18c0 [size=64]
>        Region 2: Memory at e8080c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
[size=512]
>        Region 3: Memory at e8080800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
[size=256]
>        Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
>                Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=375mA
>PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
>                Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
>
>02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
>RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
>        Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc. Unknown device 3189
>        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
>ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
>        Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>>TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
>        Latency: 64 (8000ns min, 16000ns max)
>        Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 20
>        Region 0: I/O ports at 2000 [size=256]
>        Region 1: Memory at e8100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
[size=256]
>        Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
>                Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=375mA
>PME(D0-,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
>                Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
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