Re: Nick, New Zealand, kernel 2.6.31-14-generic

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On 15 March 2010 20:15, Nick <soapduk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Joshua
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 20:50, Joshua Gordon Crawford
> <jgcrawford@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On 15 March 2010 17:48, Nick <soapduk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hi Joshua & Antonio,
>>>
>>> I've downloaded and installed the .deb file. I'm not sure how to check
>>> the modules or symlinks however.
>>
>> Using the commands Antonio previously mentioned. dmesg and lsmod.
>>
>
> This time the only difference is that the third command no longer
> gives an output.
>
> $ sudo lsmod | grep 'agrmodem' -> No Output
> $ sudo lsmod | grep 'agrserial'  -> No Output
> $ dmesg | grep 'agr.*'  -> No Output

No output because you've typed it correctly. The last time there was a
lot of false hits because of a typo in the grep pattern.

This lack of results shows that the modules are not loaded. More on this below.

> $ sudo ls /dev/modem -l
> ls: cannot access /dev/modem: No such file or directory
>
>
>>> I tried that command:
>>>
>>> $ sudo ./agrsm-tools
>>> sudo: ./agrsm-tools: command not found
>>
>> The tool is installed system-wide, so don't use './', which tells the
>> system to only look in the current directory.
>>
>> $ sudo agrsm-tools
>
> OK. I installed it via the GUI, ie double click on .deb file. I can't
> seem to run agrsm-tools.
>
>>
>>> So perhaps using the 2.6.29.* kernel mentioned before could help get
>>> it to work?
>>
>> It would definitely work under 2.6.29.*, but I'd like you to try it
>> with your 2.6.31-14 first.
>>
>>> wvdialconf still doesn't find anything.
>>
>> Because the modules are not loaded until you run agrsm-tools, or
>> manually execute the commands therein.
>
> When I type in agr and push tab twice the only file listed is
> agrsm-test. I tried that and it gives this output:
>
> 'The agrsm drivers not found for boot kernel 2.6.31-14-generic .
>  Were they installed for a different kernel version?
>  Checking all installed module trees:
>        Exiting'

My mistake. I'm not on Ubuntu, so I've never personally used
agrsm-tools. It seems the correct command is agrsm-test.

It says the modules are not installed on your system. This is odd, as
dkms should create them while you boot up, when they don't already
exist.

At this point I'll ask you to compile it manually, to find where the
error lies. Please type the following:

$ cd /usr/src/agrsm048pci-2.1.60
$ sudo make clean
$ sudo make

If the make finishes without errors (warnings are okay, and you'll get
plenty of them), then:

$ sudo make install

If all is okay at this point, the problem would lie with dkms.

But I doubt we'll get this far. I just remembered a problem some
people have reported in Ubuntu distros when they don't have the full
kernel-source installed. I reckon you'll see "make[1]: *** No rule to
make target `arch/x86/kernel/asm-offsets.c', needed by
`arch/x86/kernel/asm-offsets.s'. Stop.". Please make sure that you
have kernel-source installed, not just kernel-headers.

>
>>
>>> I read something within scanmodem about how a system can load and then
>>> unload the driver on startup. I wonder if that is happening.
>>
>> No. Your system is not setup for it yet. It's best not to do that
>> until you know the driver works (i.e., that it won't crash your system
>> on startup).
>>
>> You just  add "modprobe agrserial" to your system startup scripts. I
>> don't have (X)Ubuntu, but perhaps Marv can give you further
>> directions.
>
> OK Thanks.
>
> I don't know if that command is supposed to work when not booting but
> I tried it anyway:
>
> '$ sudo modprobe agrserial
> FATAL: Module agrmodem not found.
> FATAL: Module agrserial not found.'

It would, except that the modules are not installed on your system.

>
>
> Nick
>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 18:01, Joshua Gordon Crawford
>>> <jgcrawford@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> On 15 March 2010 15:30, Antonio Olivares <olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Joshua & others on list,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick has sent me output of lsmod | grep 'agrnodem'
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what else to recommend, but since $ sudo ls /dev/modem -l
>>>>> returns nothing, please download agrsm-tools_0.0.1_all.deb and install
>>>>> it to see if links are present.
>>>>
>>>> lsmod returned nothing also. The modules aren't loaded.
>>>>
>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/11c11040/agrsm-tools_0.0.1_all.deb
>>>>>
>>>>> Download it and install it.  run $ sudo ./agrsm-tools
>>>>>
>>>>> Report back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Nick <soapduk@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:55:01 +1300
>>>>> Subject: Re: Nick, New Zealand, kernel 2.6.31-14-generic
>>>>> To: Antonio Olivares <olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Antonio,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried the commands you suggested, as below.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, does the modem need to be plugged into the wall socket for
>>>>> this to work?
>>>>
>>>> No. Obviously you wont be able to dial out without the phone line, but
>>>> the modem should be able to respond to the 'ATZ' reset command. Before
>>>> that though, you need to load the modules and set the proper symlinks.
>>>> agrsm-tools will do that for you.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> $ sudo lsmod | grep 'agrmodem' -> No output
>>>>>
>>>>> $ sudo lsmod | grep 'agrserial' -> No output
>>>>>
>>>>> $ dmesg | grep 'agr*.'
>>>>> [    0.000000]  0000000000 - 0000400000 page 4k
>>>>> [    0.000000]  0000400000 - 000f400000 page 2M
>>>>> [    0.000000]  000f400000 - 000f740000 page 4k
>>>>> [    0.000000]   #0 [0000000000 - 0000001000]   BIOS data page ==>
>>>>> [0000000000 - 0000001000]
>>>>> [    0.000000] On node 0 totalpages: 63183
>>>>> [    0.000000]   DMA zone: 32 pages used for memmap
>>>>> [    0.000000]   DMA zone: 0 pages reserved
>>>>> [    0.000000]   DMA zone: 3951 pages, LIFO batch:0
>>>>> [    0.000000]   Normal zone: 463 pages used for memmap
>>>>> [    0.000000]   Normal zone: 58737 pages, LIFO batch:15
>>>>> [    0.000000] PERCPU: Embedded 14 pages at c11f2000, static data 35612 bytes
>>>>> [    0.000000] Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on.
>>>>> Total pages: 62688
>>>>> [    0.000000] allocated 1265600 bytes of page_cgroup
>>>>> [    0.115881] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized
>>>>> [    0.164663] Trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs...
>>>>> [    0.472539] HugeTLB registered 4 MB page size, pre-allocated 0 pages
>>>>> [    0.872954]   Magic number: 2:5:614
>>>>> [    1.364854] Linux agpgart interface v0.103
>>>>> [    1.375316] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: Intel 865 Chipset
>>>>> [    1.375518] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: detected 8060K stolen memory
>>>>> [    1.378085] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xf0000000
>>>>> [    2.757988] PM: Checking hibernation image.
>>>>> [    3.612273] type=1505 audit(1268624338.238:3):
>>>>> operation="profile_load" pid=343
>>>>> name=/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action
>>>>> [    9.499046] type=1505 audit(1268624344.122:12):
>>>>> operation="profile_replace" pid=676
>>>>> name=/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action
>>>>>
>>>>> $ sudo ls /dev/modem -l
>>>>> ls: cannot access /dev/modem: No such file or directory
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 14:40, Antonio Olivares <olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Nick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have chosen the correct driver.
>>>>>> $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf
>>>>>> sometimes does not find the modem port.  You may try and create a
>>>>>> wvdial.conf file like I instructed Robin to do, but in his case the
>>>>>> modem is not responding.  Maybe you can follow scanModem's advice
>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For candidate card in slot 01:01.0, firmware information and bootup
>>>>>>  diagnostics are:
>>>>>>  PCI slot       PCI ID          SubsystemID     Name
>>>>>>  ----------     ---------       ---------       --------------
>>>>>>  01:01.0        11c1:048c       11c1:044c       Communication
>>>>>> controller: Agere Systems
>>>>>>  V.92 56K WinModem
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Modem interrupt assignment and sharing:
>>>>>>  15:      23507   IO-APIC-edge      ata_piix
>>>>>>  --- Bootup diagnostics for card in PCI slot 01:01.0 ----
>>>>>>  [    0.108552] pci 0000:01:01.0: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xfe5ffc00-0xfe5ffcff]
>>>>>>  [    0.108561] pci 0000:01:01.0: reg 14 io port: [0xbc00-0xbc07]
>>>>>>  [    0.108570] pci 0000:01:01.0: reg 18 io port: [0xb800-0xb8ff]
>>>>>>  [    0.108611] pci 0000:01:01.0: supports D2
>>>>>>  [    0.108614] pci 0000:01:01.0: PME# supported from D2 D3hot D3cold
>>>>>>  [    0.108619] pci 0000:01:01.0: PME# disabled
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The PCI slot 01:01.0 of the modem card may be disabled early in
>>>>>>  a bootup process,  but then enabled later. If modem drivers load
>>>>>>  but the  modem is not responsive, read DOCs/Bootup.txt about possible fixes.
>>>>>>  Send dmesg.txt along with ModemData.txt to discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>  if help is needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does output of
>>>>>> $ sudo lsmod | grep 'agrmodem'
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> $ sudo lsmod | grep 'agrserial'
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> $ dmesg | grep 'agr*.'
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> $ sudo ls /dev/modem -l
>>>>>> and see if it is pointing at
>>>>>> /dev/ttyAGR3 or similar?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joshua what would you recommend for Nick to try?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/14/10, Nick <soapduk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, I'm new to installing dial-up modems on Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've trying to get a 'Lite-on' d-1156l#/a1a modem working on Xubuntu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chipset: Agere Systems V.92 56K WinModem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've run Scan Modem and by the recommendation of ModemData.txt I have
>>>>>>> downloaded and installed the following file (driver?):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> agrsm048pci-2.1.60_20100108_i386.deb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wvdialconf fails to find a device. It says to use SetSerial so I tried
>>>>>>> the autoconfig but I'm not sure how to use it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure what to do next.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ModemData.txt
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>>>>  Only plain text email is forwarded by the  Discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx List
>>>>>>> Server,
>>>>>>>  as HTML can contain viruses. Use as the email Subject Line:
>>>>>>>            YourName, YourCountry  kernel 2.6.31-14-generic
>>>>>>>  With this Subject Line cogent experts will be alerted, and useful
>>>>>>> case names left in the Archive.
>>>>>>>  YourCountry will enable Country specific guidance. Linux experts in
>>>>>>> YourCountry
>>>>>>>  can be found through: http://www.linux.org/groups/index.html.
>>>>>>> They will know your Country's modem code, which may be essential for
>>>>>>> dialup service.
>>>>>>> Responses from Discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx are sometimes blocked by an
>>>>>>> Internet Provider mail filters.
>>>>>>>  So in a day, also check the Archived responses at http://www.linmodems.org
>>>>>>> --------------------------  System information ----------------------------
>>>>>>> CPU=i686,  Ubuntu ,  ALSA_version=1.0.20
>>>>>>> Linux version 2.6.31-14-generic (buildd@rothera) (gcc version 4.4.1
>>>>>>> (Ubuntu 4.4.1-4ubuntu8) ) #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009
>>>>>>>  scanModem update of:  2010_02_25
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Distrib_ID=Ubuntu
>>>>>>> DistribCodeName=karmic
>>>>>>> AptRepositoryStem=http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The dkms driver upgrade utilities are installed,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  There are no blacklisted modem drivers in /etc/modprobe*  files
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Potentially useful modem drivers now loaded are:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a USB modem or cellphone is attached and was not detected, please
>>>>>>> provide available information in your request to discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Candidate PCI devices with modem chips are:
>>>>>>> 01:01.0 Communication controller: Agere Systems V.92 56K WinModem (rev 03)
>>>>>>> High Definition Audio cards can host modem chips.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For candidate card in slot 01:01.0, firmware information and bootup
>>>>>>> diagnostics are:
>>>>>>>  PCI slot     PCI ID          SubsystemID     Name
>>>>>>>  ----------   ---------       ---------       --------------
>>>>>>>  01:01.0      11c1:048c       11c1:044c       Communication controller: Agere Systems
>>>>>>> V.92 56K WinModem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Modem interrupt assignment and sharing:
>>>>>>>  15:      23507   IO-APIC-edge      ata_piix
>>>>>>>  --- Bootup diagnostics for card in PCI slot 01:01.0 ----
>>>>>>> [    0.108552] pci 0000:01:01.0: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xfe5ffc00-0xfe5ffcff]
>>>>>>> [    0.108561] pci 0000:01:01.0: reg 14 io port: [0xbc00-0xbc07]
>>>>>>> [    0.108570] pci 0000:01:01.0: reg 18 io port: [0xb800-0xb8ff]
>>>>>>> [    0.108611] pci 0000:01:01.0: supports D2
>>>>>>> [    0.108614] pci 0000:01:01.0: PME# supported from D2 D3hot D3cold
>>>>>>> [    0.108619] pci 0000:01:01.0: PME# disabled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The PCI slot 01:01.0 of the modem card may be disabled early in
>>>>>>>  a bootup process,  but then enabled later. If modem drivers load
>>>>>>>  but the  modem is not responsive, read DOCs/Bootup.txt about possible
>>>>>>> fixes.
>>>>>>>  Send dmesg.txt along with ModemData.txt to discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>  if help is needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> === Finished firmware and bootup diagnostics, next deducing cogent software.
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Predictive  diagnostics for card in bus 01:01.0:
>>>>>>>       Modem chipset  detected on
>>>>>>> NAME="Communication controller: Agere Systems V.92 56K WinModem "
>>>>>>> CLASS=0780
>>>>>>> PCIDEV=11c1:048c
>>>>>>> SUBSYS=11c1:044c
>>>>>>> IRQ=5
>>>>>>> IDENT=agrsm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  For candidate modem in:  01:01.0
>>>>>>>    0780 Communication controller: Agere Systems V.92 56K WinModem
>>>>>>>       Primary device ID:  11c1:048c
>>>>>>>  Support type needed or chipset:      agrsm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The AgereSystems/LSI agrsm code supports compiling of a agrmodem +
>>>>>>> agrserial driver pair.
>>>>>>> There are a few different chipsets which use this driver pair, but
>>>>>>> they use different code resources:
>>>>>>> Chipsets                      KV*     PackageNames (most current as of November 2009)
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> 11c1:048c and 11c1:048f
>>>>>>> 2.6.29        agrsm048pci-2.1.60_20100108_i386.deb or
>>>>>>> agrsm048pci-2.1.60_20100108.tar.gz
>>>>>>> 11c1:0620                       2.6.31
>>>>>>> agrsm06pci-2.1.80_20100106_i386.deb or
>>>>>>> agrsm06pci-2.1.80~20100106.tar.gz !!
>>>>>>> 11c11040 (on HDA audio cards)   2.6.31
>>>>>>> agrsm-11c11040_20091225_i386.deb or
>>>>>>> agrsm-11c11040-2.1.80~20091225.tar.bz2  !!
>>>>>>>    All available at:
>>>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/11c11040/
>>>>>>> Additionally there are;
>>>>>>> automation & testing                    agrsm-tools_0.0.1_all.deb or
>>>>>>> agrsm-tools-0.0.1-2.noarch.rpm
>>>>>>> General background                      agrsm_howto.txt
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> * KV == latest kernel release with a reported success
>>>>>>> !! Latest update with major credit to  Nikolay Zhuravlev
>>>>>>>    But see conflict issue:
>>>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-nineth/msg02753.html
>>>>>>> Report from  Bjorn Wielens:
>>>>>>> Please note- trying to load the modules on a OpenSuSE 11.2 system gives
>>>>>>>  an error about the module_version symbol. Using:
>>>>>>> # modprobe --force agrmodem
>>>>>>> # modprobe --force agrserial
>>>>>>> is necessary to load the drivers, and does not appear to cause ill effects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All of the above packages are dkms competent.  This means that if your
>>>>>>> Linux distros dkms package
>>>>>>> is previously installed, if provides for future updates matching
>>>>>>> forthcoming kernels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------- end Agere Systems section -------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Completed candidate modem analyses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The base of the UDEV device file system is: /dev/.udev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Versions adequately match for the compiler installed: 4.4.1
>>>>>>>              and the compiler used in kernel assembly: 4.4.1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Minimal compiling resources appear complete:
>>>>>>>    make utility - /usr/bin/make
>>>>>>>    Compiler version 4.4
>>>>>>>    linuc_headers base folder /lib/modules/2.6.31-14-generic/build
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  However some compilations and executable functions may need additional
>>>>>>> files,
>>>>>>>  in the FileNames.h (so called kernel "h"eaders) collection installed
>>>>>>> in  /usr/include/ .
>>>>>>>  For martian_modem, additional required packages are needed. The also
>>>>>>> required headers of package libc6 are commonly installed by default.
>>>>>>>  Compiling hsfmodem drivers does require linux-libc-dev and libc6-dev
>>>>>>> packages, for kernels 2.6.24 and later versions.
>>>>>>>  In not included on your install CD, search for them at
>>>>>>> http://packages.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>  or comparable Repository for other Linux distros.
>>>>>>>  When compiling ALSA drivers, the utility "patch" will also be needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a driver compilation fails, with message including some lack of
>>>>>>> some FileName.h (stdio.h for example), then
>>>>>>> Some additional kernel-header files need installation to /usr/include.
>>>>>>> The minimal additional packages are libc6-dev
>>>>>>> and any of its dependents, under Ubuntu linux-libc-dev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If an alternate ethernet connection is available,
>>>>>>> $  apt-get update
>>>>>>> $  apt-get -s install linux-kernel-devel
>>>>>>> will install needed packages.
>>>>>>> For Debian/Ubuntu related distributions, run the following command to
>>>>>>> display the needed package list:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Otherwise packages have to be found through http://packages.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>> Once downloaded and transferred into a Linux partition,
>>>>>>> they can be installed alltogether with:
>>>>>>> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Checking settings of: /etc/ppp/options
>>>>>>> asyncmap 0
>>>>>>> noauth
>>>>>>> crtscts
>>>>>>> lock
>>>>>>> hide-password
>>>>>>> modem
>>>>>>> proxyarp
>>>>>>> lcp-echo-interval 30
>>>>>>> lcp-echo-failure 4
>>>>>>> noipx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In case of a message like:
>>>>>>>    Warning: Could not modify /etc/ppp/pap-secrets: Permission denied
>>>>>>> see http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-sixth/msg04656.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For guidance on FAX usage, get from
>>>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/  get faxing.tar.gz
>>>>>>> It has samples for a modem using port /dev/ttySL0, which must be
>>>>>>> changed to match your modem's port.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read Modem/DOCs/YourSystem.txt concerning other COMM channels: eth0
>>>>>>> Which can interfere with Browser naviagation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Don't worry about the following, it is for experts should trouble
>>>>>>> shooting be necessary.
>>>>>>> ==========================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Checking for modem support lines:
>>>>>>>  --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>      /device/modem symbolic link:
>>>>>>> slmodemd created symbolic link /dev/ttySL0:
>>>>>>>      Within /etc/udev/ files:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Within /etc/modprobe.conf files:
>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf:# Uncomment these entries in
>>>>>>> order to blacklist unwanted modem drivers
>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf:# blacklist snd-atiixp-modem
>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf:# blacklist snd-via82xx-modem
>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
>>>>>>>      Within any ancient /etc/devfs files:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Within ancient kernel 2.4.n /etc/module.conf files:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------- end modem support lines --------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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