Re: > - in the boot menu the serials are enabled. I tried "Enable" and "Auto", but nothing seems to change. ------------- In you only ran wvdial, that is not adequate by itself. If serial ports were not previously enabled, try the more decisive: sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf MarvS On Dec 18, 2007 3:44 PM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear all, > if it could help you: > - in the boot menu the serials are enabled. I tried "Enable" and > "Auto", but nothing seems to change. > - in the file /boot/grub/menu.lst I cannot find neither pollirq nor acpi... > > Thank you, > Matteo > > 2007/12/18, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > Folks > > > > Would some one send Matteo an example kernel line with irqpoll or > > acpi=off per my suggestions below. Until Friday, I won't be under > > Linux and cannot check syntax validity > > > > Matteo, > > > > 1) If you can access the bootup BIOS, check that the serial ports are > > in fact activated, > > as shutting off this service is an option on some newer PCs, favoring USB ports. > > . From what you havve described thus far, I doubt this is the problem, > > but it will not hurt to check. > > > > 2) Within /boot/grub/menu.lst , there are stansa specifying the boot > > up options, and within each a line specifying the kernel used and > > bootup options. In the options list following the kernel name, try the > > effects of successive (one at a time) the following options: > > pollirq , acpi=off > > Each time save, reboot, and test > > > > These modifiers change the power/irq management of the System > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2007 10:21 PM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Marvin, > > > this evening I was trying to make several additional try with the > > > modem. Even if the PC does not want to recognise the modem, I think > > > that the name of the port is /dev/ttyS0 > > > because when I tell GNOME PPP to "connect", using that port the modem > > > lights dance (even if it is not connecting). > > > You can find the Log as follows: > > > /home/mario/.wvdial.conf<Warn>: Ignoring malformed input line: ";Do > > > NOT edit this file by hand!" > > > WvDial<*1>: WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.56 > > > WvModem<*1>: Cannot set information for serial port. > > > WvDial<*1>: Initializing modem. > > > WvDial<*1>: Sending: ATZ > > > WvDial<*1>: Sending: ATQ0 > > > WvDial<*1>: Re-Sending: ATZ > > > WvDial<Err>: Modem not responding. > > > > > > Do you have any idea about what can be done? > > > Thank you, > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/16, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > Marvin, > > > > I did it, and something is again changing in the wvdial: > > > > > > > > Scanning your serial ports for a modem. > > > > ttyS0<Info>: Device or resource busy > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: S0 > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up. > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: S2 S3 > > > > Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program? > > > > > > > > Again nothing like a modem, but at least something more is changing... > > > > I hope we will come soon to a solution... :-) > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > 2007/12/15, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > Matteo, > > > > > > > > > > It does seem that the kernel probing is reaching the modem, but > > > > > responses are not being returned from the external modem to the > > > > > System. Adjacent to the URL for > > > > > http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/#scanModem , there is a URL to an > > > > > unloading utility. > > > > > Download, unzip and run as: > > > > > $ sudo ./unloading > > > > > > > > > > It does a rather crude job of unloading unused modules, and hopefully > > > > > will not crash your System. > > > > > You may want to manually reload drivers for thermal control, such as > > > > > $ sudo modprobe fan > > > > > depending upon your System hardware. > > > > > > > > > > But afterwards again try the > > > > > $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdail.conf > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally GnomePPP and some other dialer utilities and just front > > > > > ends for wvdial, > > > > > and using wvdial/wvdialconf directly is more informative duing the > > > > > trouble shooting phase. > > > > > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2007 12:52 PM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > Great; something has changed! > > > > > > The modem is not yet recognised, but the error you showed me is no more there: > > > > > > > > > > > > Scanning your serial ports for a modem. > > > > > > ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud > > > > > > ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud > > > > > > ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up. > > > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud > > > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud > > > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up. > > > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: S2 S3 > > > > > > Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program? > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I put the ethernet off and report as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > > > > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > > > > > > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > > > > > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > > > > > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > > > > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > > > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > > > > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > > > > > > > > > > > So nothing more about the eth0! > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately the wvdialconf is not making my modem work anyway... > > > > > > I tried with GNOME PPP as well... and I report a strange thing: when I > > > > > > go to the panel to choose the port number, the program allows me to > > > > > > "authomatically scan" for a modem. It tries for a dozen of seconds and > > > > > > then report that no modem was found. The curious thing is that - > > > > > > during the scan time - the red lights on the modem start to move and > > > > > > light on and off... so I believe that the datas are reaching the > > > > > > modem, but the system is in any way not able to "recognise" it... > > > > > > It is quite strange, because if the PC or the modem had not worked, we > > > > > > wouldn't have seen the red lights moving... > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that it could help you in any way... > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/15, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marvin, > > > > > > > when I make > > > > > > > $ sudo ifconfig eth0 down > > > > > > > the ethernet connection goes down and then authomatically reconnects. But the > > > > > > > $ ifconfig > > > > > > > always gives the same results. > > > > > > > (of course NOW I have an ethernet connection, but I'm trying to set > > > > > > > this modem running because this PC needs to be placed in a town where > > > > > > > the ADSL is not working) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The$ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > always tells me that no modem is found: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scanning your serial ports for a modem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: Scanning ttySHSF0 first, /dev/modem is a link to it. > > > > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: SHSF0 > > > > > > > ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud > > > > > > > ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud > > > > > > > ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up. > > > > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud > > > > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud > > > > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up. > > > > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: S2 S3 SHSF1 SHSF2 SHSF3 SHSF4 SHSF5 > > > > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: SHSF6 SHSF7 > > > > > > > Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program? > > > > > > > Did you configure it properly with setserial? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I installed setserial, but I do not know how to use it, and if it > > > > > > > could be helpful for me... > > > > > > > Thank I made > > > > > > > $ grep SERIAL /boot/config* > > > > > > > and the following is the result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_MOUSE_SERIAL=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_NONSTANDARD=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:# CONFIG_ESPSERIAL is not set > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PCI=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PNP=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CS=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_NR_UARTS=48 > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_RUNTIME_UARTS=4 > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_EXTENDED=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_MANY_PORTS=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FOURPORT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_ACCENT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_BOCA=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_EXAR_ST16C554=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_HUB6=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_SHARE_IRQ=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:# CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DETECT_IRQ is not set > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_RSA=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_MCA=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_CORE=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_CORE_CONSOLE=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_JSM=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_SND_SERIAL_U16550=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_GENERIC=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_AIRCABLE=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_AIRPRIME=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_ARK3116=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_BELKIN=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_WHITEHEAT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_DIGI_ACCELEPORT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CP2101=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CYPRESS_M8=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_EMPEG=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_FTDI_SIO=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_FUNSOFT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_VISOR=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IPAQ=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IR=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_EDGEPORT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_EDGEPORT_TI=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_GARMIN=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IPW=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_PDA=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_MPR=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA28=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA28X=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA28XA=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA28XB=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA19=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA18X=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA19W=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA19QW=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA19QI=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA49W=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA49WLC=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KLSI=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KOBIL_SCT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MCT_U232=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MOS7720=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MOS7840=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_NAVMAN=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_PL2303=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_HP4X=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SAFE=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SAFE_PADDED is not set > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SIERRAWIRELESS=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_TI=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CYBERJACK=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_XIRCOM=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OMNINET=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_DEBUG=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic:CONFIG_USB_G_SERIAL=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:# CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DETECT_IRQ is not set > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_EXTENDED=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_MANY_PORTS=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_NR_UARTS=48 > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PCI=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PNP=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_RSA=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_RUNTIME_UARTS=4 > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_SHARE_IRQ=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_CORE=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_CORE_CONSOLE=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:# CONFIG_ESPSERIAL is not set > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_MOUSE_SERIAL=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_ACCENT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_BOCA=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CS=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_EXAR_ST16C554=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FOURPORT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_HUB6=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_MCA=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_JSM=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SERIAL_NONSTANDARD=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_SND_SERIAL_U16550=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_G_SERIAL=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_AIRCABLE=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_AIRPRIME=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_ARK3116=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_BELKIN=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CP2101=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CYBERJACK=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CYPRESS_M8=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_DEBUG=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_DIGI_ACCELEPORT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_EDGEPORT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_EDGEPORT_TI=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_EMPEG=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_FTDI_SIO=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_FUNSOFT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_GARMIN=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_GENERIC=y > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_HP4X=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IPAQ=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IPW=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IR is not set > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN is not set > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_PDA=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KLSI=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KOBIL_SCT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MCT_U232=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MOS7720=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MOS7840=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_NAVMAN=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OMNINET=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_PL2303=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SAFE=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SAFE_PADDED is not set > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SIERRAWIRELESS=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_TI=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_VISOR=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_WHITEHEAT=m > > > > > > > /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic:CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_XIRCOM=m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your patience and for your always so nice help... > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/15, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > Matteo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lo represents a standard loop back channel, supoprting all other > > > > > > > > COMM channels, and > > > > > > > > the eth0 an automated setup for ethernet usage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ppp0 absense relates that nothing automated has setup/grabbed the > > > > > > > > ppp0 channel, > > > > > > > > which would have accounted for a failure of > > > > > > > > $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the chance that the eth0 channel may in some way be competing, try > > > > > > > > $ sudo ifconfig eth0 down > > > > > > > > To see the result > > > > > > > > $ ifconfig > > > > > > > > Then try again > > > > > > > > $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what is the output from > > > > > > > > $ grep SERIAL /boot/config* > > > > > > > > which I expect will show that the serial driver support is compiled > > > > > > > > into the boot kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MarvS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2007 4:16 AM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The very strange thing is that... it neither seems to consider ppp0... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0D:60:26:07:D9 > > > > > > > > > inet addr:192.168.0.8 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > > > > > > > > > inet6 addr: fe80::20d:60ff:fe26:7d9/64 Scope:Link > > > > > > > > > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > > > > > > > > > RX packets:852 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > > > > > > > > TX packets:721 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > > > > > > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 > > > > > > > > > RX bytes:446000 (435.5 KB) TX bytes:282045 (275.4 KB) > > > > > > > > > Base address:0x2000 Memory:e8100000-e8120000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > > > > > > > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > > > > > > > > > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > > > > > > > > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > > > > > > > > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > > > > > > > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > > > > > > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > > > > > > > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it quite strange...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/15, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > > $ ifconfig > > > > > > > > > > is there displayed an information block, with ppp0 on its left? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, the device port may be blocked b some other program/utiliy. Do > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo ifconfig ppp0 down > > > > > > > > > > Check for the removal of the block with: > > > > > > > > > > $ ifconfig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then try > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MarvS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 14, 2007 3:28 PM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just to puntualize... when I made these commands the modem was > > > > > > > > > > > plugged-in and switched on. So, theoretically speaking, the PC should > > > > > > > > > > > have "seen" it. > > > > > > > > > > > I can tell you something more: the device is for sure "working", as > > > > > > > > > > > when I switch the modem on, the computer itself switches > > > > > > > > > > > authomatically on... it is curious, but it is anyway a confirmation > > > > > > > > > > > that the serial port is working and, in any way, receives the modem > > > > > > > > > > > signals... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you again for an help... > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/13, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marvin, > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you as usual for your always very kind help. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please find below the result of my queries: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ cat /proc/interrupts > > > > > > > > > > > > CPU0 > > > > > > > > > > > > 0: 130 IO-APIC-edge timer > > > > > > > > > > > > 1: 143 IO-APIC-edge i8042 > > > > > > > > > > > > 6: 5 IO-APIC-edge floppy > > > > > > > > > > > > 7: 0 IO-APIC-edge parport0 > > > > > > > > > > > > 8: 3 IO-APIC-edge rtc > > > > > > > > > > > > 9: 1 IO-APIC-fasteoi acpi > > > > > > > > > > > > 12: 3518 IO-APIC-edge i8042 > > > > > > > > > > > > 14: 9174 IO-APIC-edge libata > > > > > > > > > > > > 15: 0 IO-APIC-edge libata > > > > > > > > > > > > 16: 9573 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb4, > > > > > > > > > > > > eth0, i915@pci:0000:00:02.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > 17: 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb2 > > > > > > > > > > > > 18: 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb3 > > > > > > > > > > > > 19: 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi ehci_hcd:usb5 > > > > > > > > > > > > 20: 389 IO-APIC-fasteoi Intel ICH5 > > > > > > > > > > > > NMI: 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > LOC: 18720 > > > > > > > > > > > > ERR: 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > MIS: 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ ls / > > > > > > > > > > > > bin dev initrd lib mnt root sys var > > > > > > > > > > > > boot etc initrd.img lost+found opt sbin tmp vmlinuz > > > > > > > > > > > > cdrom home initrd.img.old media proc srv usr vmlinuz.old > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo modprobe 8250 > > > > > > > > > > > > FATAL: Module 8250 not found. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried $ sudo modprobe 9573 as well, but with no result (always > > > > > > > > > > > > module not found). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help you understanding what the problem can be... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/13, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would someone check what the name of the serial port driver is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thing it is simple 8250.ko , but I'm traveling with a MAC this week > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 16.474893] Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, > > > > > > > > > > > > > IRQ sharing enabled > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 16.474992] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 16.475205] serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 16.475958] 00:0c: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 16.476269] 00:0d: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > The boot up testing of the serial ports seems OK > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try again > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ cat /proc/interrupts > > > > > > > > > > > > > and be sure to include the / in the indicated places. you should > > > > > > > > > > > > > also see proc in the output of > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ ls / > > > > > > > > > > > > > as it is a BASIC Linux virtual file system, relating ongoing processes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also try > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo modprobe 8250 > > > > > > > > > > > > > or whatever the driver name is reported to be. THen again > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MarvS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 12, 2007 3:29 PM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you have the details, in the attached file! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/12, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is unlikely that it is a Ubuntu problem perse, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but rather some hardware resource conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ dmesg > dmesg.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and send us the dmesg.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MarvS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 12, 2007 6:50 AM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a very strange situation... the Ubuntu system seems not able at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all to see the serial modem, and so it is not possible to work with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. Can anybody of you help me please? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/10, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to do what was suggested, but at the command > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ cat /proc/interrupts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reply was: "no such file or directory"... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for a precious help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/10, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There may be interference between, the unnecessary hsf* drivers and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serial modem requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do a complete uninstall. For your imput package: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hsfmodem_7.68.00.04full_k2.6.22_14_generic_ubuntu_i386.deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get the installed name with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo apt-cache search hsfmodem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will output the hsfmodem-installed-Name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then do the uninstall with: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo apt-get remove hsfmodem-installed-Name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or just use the ADMIN tool "aptitude" to do the uninstall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afterwards reboot, and try again the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the modem is not found, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > send us the output of: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ cat /proc/interrupts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please send to the List, Not me directly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MarvS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo hsfmodem --help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get the command syntax shown. Then the uninstall command. Something like: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo hsfmodem -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 9, 2007 1:51 PM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marvin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately this seems to be the hardest problem... it isn't finding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the serial modem! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can find below the error: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scanning your serial ports for a modem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: Scanning ttySHSF0 first, /dev/modem is a link to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: SHSF0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: S2 S3 SHSF1 SHSF2 SHSF3 SHSF4 SHSF5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modem Port Scan<*1>: SHSF6 SHSF7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you configure it properly with setserial? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the FAQ at http://open.nit.ca/wiki/?WvDial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still have problems, send mail to <wvdial-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/9, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a serial port modem, just run > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which should report finding the modem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo gedit /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deleting the symbols ; < > and putting in your dialout info. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then dialout with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo wvdial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 2007 1:23 PM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marvin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you very much for your very kind help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately something seems still not ok... the Modem is connected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the serial port (I do not know if it is the 0 or the 1) and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power is on, but the PC seems not to recognise it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am anyway attaching the report to the 3 suggested commands... I hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this would help you (as honestly it sounds quite ununderstandable for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/12/8, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modem not detected though HDA card diagnostics, though not excluding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a possible Conexant modem chip impervious to ALSA diagnostics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely our case. From > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/downloads-ubuntu-x86.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get the hsfmodem_7.68.00.04full_k2.6.22_14_generic_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under Linux unpack wth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ unzip hsf*.zip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start the install with: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo dpkg -i hsf*.deb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A reboot may be necessary for the modem can be detected with: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If thus detected: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo gedit /etc/wvdial.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to delete the ; < > symbols and replace with you dialout info. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dialout with: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo wvdial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please report back at this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also we will need the ouputs of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ lspci > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ lspci -nv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MarvS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scanModem maintainer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 2007 5:32 AM, Matteo Mambretti <teo2257@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you help me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a pretty new (Italian) Ubuntu user, and I have got no idea about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what to do to install and make my 3Com/US Robotics modem run... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matteo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
