ESC meeting minutes: 2024-12-12

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* Present:
  + Olivier, Caolan, Gabriel, Heiko, Ilmari, Jonathan, Michael W, Michael S, Regina, Stephan, Thorsten, Cloph, Eike, Miklos

* Completed Action Items:
  + Upgrade the wiki template for the release pages to specify when the MAR update can be expected (Hossein)
   + Done: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
    Template updated to calculate +1 week, based on:
    + update checker: +1 week after announce (Cloph)
      + intention: same for the MAR updates
    https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2024-November/092704.html

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
  + 24.8.4 rc2 this week
    + cross-update will be enabled (from 24.2.x; after 1 week delay)
    + pending patches: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/q/branch:libreoffice-24-8-4+status:open
    + plan to tag later today
  + 25.2 rc1 + UI freeze in 1 week
    + branch rules: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Branches
      + self-review is OK for now
    + late features:
      + Sahil is working on the application colors (Heiko)
        + expect it'll be a distruptive change -- probably defer to the next release
        + the extension side looks good, it's more about the VCL backends
      + Quick Look plugin for macOS (Patrick)
        + see https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2024-December/092765.html

* Documentation (Olivier)
   * Helpcontents2
      + Updates and fixes for Help pages (ohallot, B. Buzea, Ilmari, Dione)
         + (rushing to add them on 25.2 branch).
      + Fixes in Help for Scriptforge (A. Romedenne)
   * Guides
      + Work on Calc Guide (ohallot, D. Maddern)
      + Math Guide (P. Schofield)
   * Latam conference:
      + it was interesting, good to see people from the local comunity
      + not ideal timing, but otherwise nice
      + lot of discussions
    + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
        229(229) bugs open
    + Updates:
        BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
           created     10(7)    20(5)      48(-1)     265(3)
         commented     22(10)   56(21)    168(-14)   1010(7)
          resolved      4(3)     7(2)      21(-1)     174(1)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Ilmari Lauhakangas made 22 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
          Bogdan B made 14 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
          Heiko Tietze made 10 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
          Kaganski, Mike made 8 changes in 1 month, and 84 changes in 1 year
          Olivier Hallot made 8 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
          Eyal Rozenberg made 5 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
          Timur Gadzo made 3 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
          Vernon, Stuart Foote made 3 changes in 1 month, and 167 changes in 1 year
          Dione Maddern made 2 changes in 1 month, and 114 changes in 1 year
          Pierre F made 2 changes in 1 month, and 225 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
    + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
        227(227) (topicUI) bugs open, 21(21) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
    + Updates:
        BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
             added      3(1)     11(1)     15(-1)      21(-2)
         commented     42(18)   117(5)    310(-18)   1519(-53)
           removed      0(0)      1(-2)     5(-1)      12(-1)
          resolved      6(4)     15(1)     47(1)      250(0)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Heiko Tietze made 72 changes in 1 month, and 838 changes in 1 year
          Eyal Rozenberg made 55 changes in 1 month, and 215 changes in 1 year
          Vernon, Stuart Foote made 30 changes in 1 month, and 398 changes in 1 year
          *UNKNOWN* made 20 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year
          Roman Kuznetsov made 15 changes in 1 month, and 27 changes in 1 year
          Cor Nouws made 8 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
          Bogdan B made 7 changes in 1 month, and 22 changes in 1 year
          *UNKNOWN* made 7 changes in 1 month, and 7 changes in 1 year
          Ilmari Lauhakangas made 6 changes in 1 month, and 172 changes in 1 year
          lol made 6 changes in 1 month, and 6 changes in 1 year
    + [Bug 164142] Replace button wall with a context menu in new Macro manager
    + [Bug 164199] Control of inter-paragraph spacing for same-style paragraphs
           - beyond suppression
    + [Bug 164183] Add hyperlink entries to context menu in tables

* Crash testing (Caolan)
    + 270(+15) import failure, 14(-12) export failures
      - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crashtesting
      - small enough number that we don't run out of space with core dumps
      - sample issue, likely low hanging calc ORG.OPENOFFICE.EASTERSUNDAY thing
        - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164249
    + 14 coverity issues
    + 1 ossfuzz issue
      - 1 int overflow in emf
    + coverity access, LO page is empty (Stephan)
      + idea was that it's open to anyone (Caolan)
      + will check the permissions & maybe try an explicit invite

* Crash Reporting (from crashreport.libreoffice.org) (Xisco)
    + Missing Xisco
    + 24.8.0.3    30539(+1290)
    + 24.8.1.2    22371(+406)
    + 24.8.2.1    54335(+633)
    + 24.8.3.2    17456(+6394)

* Mentoring (Hossein)
    + Missing Hossein
          committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                  open      79(-16)    151(3)      151(3)       151(3)
               reviews     512(44)    1802(84)    3858(-2)    13668(210)
                merged     417(82)    1455(77)    3908(109)   14325(195)
             abandoned      13(1)       77(7)      157(2)       723(-25)
           own commits     242(-3)    1026(-10)   2845(61)    10202(65)
        review commits      59(2)      283(-28)    850(3)      3315(7)
        contributor...   1 week      1 month     3 months    12 months
                  open      330(84)     523(33)     523(30)      523(30)
               reviews     1122(124)   3874(218)   8984(288)   31918(330)
                merged       37(-2)     174(0)      460(9)      1480(1)
             abandoned        8(-1)      81(7)      103(4)       583(4)
           own commits       30(-6)     147(-14)    414(12)     1405(9)
        review commits        0(0)        0(0)        0(0)         0(0)
    + easyHack statistics:
       needsDevEval 9(9)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 341(341)
       total 424(424)   assigned 29(29)   open 358(358)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Bogdan B made 72 patches in 1 month, and 266 patches in 1 year
          Srebotnjak, Martin made 4 patches in 1 month, and 19 patches in 1 year
          Dione Maddern made 4 patches in 1 month, and 89 patches in 1 year
          Simon Chenery made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
          Rahim Siddiq made 4 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
          Mohamed Ali made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
          Manish Bera made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
          Weblate made 2 patches in 1 month, and 40 patches in 1 year
          Marco Pinto made 2 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
          Kurt Nordback made 2 patches in 1 month, and 30 patches in 1 year
    + top 10 reviewers:
          Vajna, Miklos made 180 review comments in 1 month, and 1184 in 1 year
          Thorsten Behrens made 132 review comments in 1 month, and 730 in 1 year
          Caolán McNamara made 130 review comments in 1 month, and 1382 in 1 year
          Michael Stahl made 128 review comments in 1 month, and 900 in 1 year
          Nabet, Julien made 116 review comments in 1 month, and 872 in 1 year
          Ilmari Lauhakangas made 114 review comments in 1 month, and 718 in 1 year
          Olivier Hallot made 88 review comments in 1 month, and 460 in 1 year
          Grandin, Noel made 86 review comments in 1 month, and 726 in 1 year
          Xisco Fauli made 86 review comments in 1 month, and 828 in 1 year
          Christian Lohmaier made 80 review comments in 1 month, and 618 in 1 year
    + Patches automatically abandoned:
        tdf#90341  Clean up excessive const_cast'ing ( Beeram Pranith Reddy )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/170854
    + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
          Alin, Andrei Abahnencei
          Calin Avramoniu
          Johann Lorber (Linagora)
          André Herbst

* Commit Access

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Miklos/László/Gabriel)
  + resting since: 7 week (limit: 20 weeks)

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64     jobs: 170 ok: 165 ko:   2 fail ratio: 1.18% mean_ok:   7 ( 15) median_ok:   6 ( 10)
gerrit_android_arm         jobs: 171 ok: 168 ko:   1 fail ratio: 0.58% mean_ok:   7 ( 15) median_ok:   6 (  9)
gerrit_android_x86         jobs: 170 ok: 165 ko:   2 fail ratio: 1.18% mean_ok:   7 ( 15) median_ok:   6 (  9)
gerrit_android_x86_64      jobs: 171 ok: 168 ko:   1 fail ratio: 0.58% mean_ok:   7 ( 16) median_ok:   5 ( 10)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 362 ok: 295 ko:  56 fail ratio: 15.47% mean_ok:  37 ( 43) median_ok:  35 ( 37)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release   jobs: 407 ok: 326 ko:  52 fail ratio: 12.78% mean_ok:  21 ( 27) median_ok:  19 ( 20)
gerrit_mac                 jobs: 363 ok: 313 ko:  34 fail ratio: 9.37% mean_ok:  50 ( 51) median_ok:  44 ( 44)
gerrit_windows             jobs: 348 ok: 326 ko:  15 fail ratio: 4.31% mean_ok:  34 ( 39) median_ok:  33 ( 33)
gerrit_master_ml           jobs: 433 ok: 274 ko: 117 fail ratio: 27.02% mean_ok:  74 ( 74) median_ok:  65 ( 66)
gerrit_master              jobs:  40 ok:  33 ko:   3 fail ratio: 7.50% mean_ok:  59 ( 59) median_ok:  55 ( 55)
gerrit_master_seq          jobs: 397 ok: 244 ko: 115 fail ratio: 28.97% mean_ok:  76 ( 77) median_ok:  66 ( 66)
   + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
      3 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      3 CppunitTest_services                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
      3 JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi_1                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      3 UITest_impress_tests                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      4 aborted by jenkins job timeout                gerrit_windows
     27 CppunitTest_sw_tiledrendering2                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
  + normal week (Cloph)
    + CppunitTest_sw_tiledrendering2 is still high..
    + one slow macOS builder -> took it out

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
  + A11y update (Michael W)
    + tdf#164247 "Writer Accessibility check requires too high contrast for large text"
    + reducing dependency of vcl widget a11y classes on toolkit module
    + LO/JAWS issues
  + RTL/CTL/CJK update (Jonathan)
    + tdf#164106: Fixed Devanagari rendering with sub-grapheme cluster formatting
      + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164106
    + tdf#66791: Incorrect application of Asian text font for quotation marks
      + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66791
      + In progress: planning on changing behavior to reflect MSO
  + tdf#159549 - FORMATTING LO Writer 7.6 and 24.2 alter settings of Text Body paragraph style when renaming style as Body Text (Michael S)
    + mostly done by now
    + except table template/styles: UIName is written into ODF
      + see commit 7d08664be4d9a949718ce66e3bc974105a10284c
      + so that part is difficult to change
  + Writer VML import: in-shape tables are now mapped to Writer TextBox (Olivier)

* FOSDEM 2025 (Xisco)
    - DevRoom: Saturday, February 1, from 10AM to 2PM.

* Vertical tab pages (Michael W)
  + idea was to disable them again for 25.2
  + still on for master
  + intentional or just nobody did the work?
  + mixed situation (Heiko)
    + page style dialog is vertical, most others are horizontal
    + design-wise: makes sense to be consistent
      + but hyperlink dialog is already like this
  + tools -> options is also vertical (Olivier)
  + would be nice to have a decision (Michael W)
  + Design team suggestion was to go vertical (Thorsten)
    + so would be careful to undo all that
  + Not seeing any active work here, and it's a complicated topic (Heiko)
    + would require icons for all dialogs, updating their layouts
  + If it fits into the vision over years, then why not (Thorsten)
    + without a flip-flop before every release
  + would prefer to make a decision: no design meetings anymore this year, UI freeze is next week for 25.2 (Heiko)
    + not sure how many tab dialogs are vertical at the moment
    + would like to keep things as-is, if it looks a bit poor, it might get the attention of contributors
    + the most painful dialogs are reverted anyway
  => no objections to this plan (all)

* QA update (Xisco)
    + UNCONFIRMED: 1431 (+22)
        + enhancements: 360  (+3)
        + needsUXEval: 6 (+1)
        + haveBackTrace: 11 (-1)
        + needsDevAdvice: 48 (+0)
        + documentation:  6 (+1)
        + android:  1 (+0)
        + iOS:  0 (+0)
        + Online:  9 (+0)



    + Most pressing bugs:
     New:
     Old:
     Fixed:


    + New high severity bugs of the week:
        + LibreOffice crashes when attempting to save the AutoRecovery info of an untitled COPY of a spreadsheet
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163033

        + After updates on Writer launch, language defaulting to Filipino
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164070
            + needs bisecting

        + Every time I try to delete an object in a gallery folder that I inserted, LibreOffice crashes in vcl/source/bitmap/bitmap.cxx:212
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164202
            + needs bisecting

        + LibreOffice suddenly changed its language to Tagalog on its own
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164264
            + needs bisecting
            + already marked as a duplicate of tdf#164070 (Caolan)

* Skipping ESC towards the year end (Miklos)
  + Suggest to skip 26th Dec & 2nd Jan

* QA stats
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
      +121  -28 (-105) overall)
      many thanks to the top bug squashers:
       QA Administrators       18
       Buovjaga                16
       m_a_riosv               9
       Heiko Tietze            6
       Mike Kaganski           6
       BogdanB                 5
       Balázs Varga (allotropia) 4
       Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 4
       Andreas Heinisch        3
       Eike Rathke             3

    + top 10 bugs reporters:
       Telesto                 5
       Eyal Rozenberg          3
       Justin L                3
       Aron Budea              2
       Buovjaga                2
       Dragan Marinović        2
       Heiko Tietze            2
       Hossein                 2
       Mike Kaganski           2
       Oliver Specht (CIB)     2

    + top 10 bugs fixers:
       Andreas Heinisch        4
       Balazs Varga            4
       Heiko Tietze            4
       Kelemen, Gabor          4
       Bogdan B                3
       Justin Luth             3
       Kaganski, Mike          3
       Grandin, Noel           2
       Jim Raykowski           2
       Jonathan Clark          2

    + top 10 bugs confirmers:
       Ilmari Lauhakangas      16
       Bogdan B                14
       *UNKNOWN*               7
       Raal                    5
       m.a.riosv               5
       Aron Budea              4
       Heiko Tietze            2
       Rafael Lima             2
       Rathke, Eike            2
       Specht, Oliver          2


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   +

     done by:
        Ilmari Lauhakangas     3
        ericrodriguez1         2
        Raal                   2
        nalsabah               1
        Telesto                1
        Xisco Fauli            1


* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   +

     done by:
        Ilmari Lauhakangas     5
        ericrodriguez1         2
        Raal                   2
        nalsabah               1
        Telesto                1
        Xisco Fauli            1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 1223(+5) bugs open of 13777(+17) total 22(+1) high prio.

     done by:
        Ilmari Lauhakangas     4
        m.a.riosv              3
        Vernon, Stuart Foote   2
        Raal                   1
        Stéphane Guillou       1
        Telesto                1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
     Writer        - 10(+0)
     Calc          - 6(+0)
     LibreOffice   - 3(+1)
     Impress       - 2(+0)
     UI            - 1(+0)

   by OS:
     All           - 14(+1)
     Linux         - 5(+0)
     Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
     Windows       - 3(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
     Writer: other            - 405(+3)
     Calc                     - 248(+0)
     Impress                  - 126(+0)
     LibreOffice              - 52(+2)
     Draw                     - 47(+0)
     Crashes                  - 45(+1)
     Writer: docx filter      - 42(+0)
     Base                     - 36(+0)
     Borders                  - 33(+0)
     Writer: perf             - 33(+1)
     UI                       - 32(-1)
     Writer: other filter     - 30(-1)
     Printing and PDF export  - 26(+1)
     Chart                    - 24(+0)
     RTL                      - 23(-1)
     BASIC                    - 22(+0)
     filters and storage      - 19(+0)
     Writer: doc filter       - 17(+0)
     Formula Editor           - 12(+0)
     graphics stack           - 12(+0)
     framework                - 3(+0)
     sdk                      - 3(+0)
     Extensions               - 2(+0)
     Installation             - 2(+2)
     Linguistic               - 2(+0)



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