ESC meeting minutes: 2024-02-22

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* Present:
    + Hossein, Oliver, Stephan, Xisco, Caolan, Cloph, Eike, Gokay, Heiko, Ilmari, Michael S, Michael W, Stephan, Miklos

* Completed Action Items:
    + atticize gnu-make-lo.git, finish this (Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
    + 7.6.5 announced as final today
    + 7.6: 7.6.6 RC1 in 2 weeks
    + 24.2.1: RC2 this week
    + app store versions:
      + 7.6.5 will be published as an update soon

* Revert Shortcut modifications in German UI (Xisco)

    - 7 commits: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159743#c3

    - Bring compatibility with MSO. Gökay Şatır

    - Some german speaking users already complaining. 4 reports so far.

    - First approach: change Search shortcut: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/163441

    - Revert proposal: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/163484

    + nothing against these changes, but (Xisco)

      + 7 commits, goal is to be compatible with MSO

      + 24.2 is out, German speaking users complain about the change

      + e.g. the search shortcut is used a lot and is changed

      + but there were complaints about others as well

      + proposal: revert in 24.2 to have time to discuss it for 24.8

      + not feeling comfortable with pushing the button before reaching agreement

      + wanted to attract people from MSO side to feel comfortable in LO as well (Gokay)

        + of course the existing LO user's point of view is also reasonable

        + didn't expect a pushback

        + can live with a revert and then hope to put some of this back over time step by step?

      + Stuart's comment (Ilmari)

        + see https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159743#c9

        + idea would be to have an opt-in checkbox to have MSO-compatible defaults

        + and leave the actual default unchanged

        + maybe going this way is needed (Gokay)

      + the commit message didn't really specify what was research was done (Cloph)

        + tried to research this, have a German MSO + German keyboard (Gokay)

        + hoped to be a general change, but the focus is on MSO

      + example with the navigator (Heiko)

        + F5 to open it, then Ctrl-F opens it

        + believe F5 needs to stay at the navigator

        + local shortcuts area ideally discussed by the local community

      + also the help pages need updating (Cloph)

    => go ahead with the revert for now (all)

    + hope to find a way that works for everyone in the future (Xisco)


* Documentation (Olivier)
    + Helpcontent2
       + Help pages no Calc XMATCH and XLOOKUP (ohallot)
       + Scriptforge updates (A. Romedenne)
       + Typos (A. Gelmini)
       + Review of terminolgy changes (7.6 & 24.2) reflected in Help
    + Guides
       + Work in progress.

    + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
        285(285) bugs open
    + Updates:
        BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
           created     8(-1)    22(0)      44(2)     242(-7)
         commented     6(-14)   51(-6)    157(-2)    904(-32)
          resolved     0(-3)     5(0)      14(-1)    116(-8)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Vernon, Stuart Foote made 22 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
          Olivier Hallot made 19 changes in 1 month, and 327 changes in 1 year
          Alain Romedenne made 10 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
          Stéphane Guillou made 10 changes in 1 month, and 274 changes in 1 year
          Kaganski, Mike made 9 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
          Dan Dascalescu made 7 changes in 1 month, and 7 changes in 1 year
          Heiko Tietze made 5 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
          *UNKNOWN* made 5 changes in 1 month, and 6 changes in 1 year
          Juan José González made 4 changes in 1 month, and 4 changes in 1 year
          Kelemen, Gabor made 4 changes in 1 month, and 4 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
    + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
        250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 33(33) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
    + Updates:
        BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
             added      5(3)      5(0)      7(-2)      20(-1)
         commented     90(64)   214(39)   530(12)    2077(31)
           removed      0(0)      0(0)      2(0)       14(1)
          resolved      8(4)     37(0)     82(5)      319(0)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Heiko Tietze made 131 changes in 1 month, and 1257 changes in 1 year
          Vernon, Stuart Foote made 48 changes in 1 month, and 281 changes in 1 year
          Ady made 39 changes in 1 month, and 144 changes in 1 year
          Stéphane Guillou made 34 changes in 1 month, and 601 changes in 1 year
          Rafael Lima made 17 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year
          Ilmari Lauhakangas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
          Eyal Rozenberg made 11 changes in 1 month, and 177 changes in 1 year
          Timur made 11 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
          Bob Harvey made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
          Németh, László made 9 changes in 1 month, and 23 changes in 1 year
    + [Bug 159738] CALC UI: Menu item "View headers" in menu "View" named wrong
    + [Bug 159748] UI: Cell protection dialog reference menu that don't exist
    + [Bug 159543] Cannot resize graphical objects that overlap header/footer
    + [Bug 159737] Lowercase "a" and uppercase "A" wrongly shows as one "a" in
           Autofilter dropdown


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
    + 8(+3) import failure, 5(+2) export failures
     - think the last ItemSet problems are now sorted out, will see in the next run
     - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crashtesting
    + 2 coverity issues
    + 5 ossfuzz issues
     - 1 crash, expected fix committed

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
    + 7.6.2.1    47221(+1551)
    + 7.6.3.2    7903(+403)
    + 7.6.4.1    31005(+3359)
    + 24.2.0.3    5145(+2030)


* Mentoring (Hossein)
  + Reviewed submissions from the newcomers
  + Finalized and published a blog post for a difficultyInteresting EasyHack
    Make Impress master slides copyable – difficulty interesting EasyHack
    https://dev.blog.documentfoundation.org/2024/02/22/make-impress-master-slides-copyable-difficulty-interesting-easyhack/
          committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                  open      70(-13)    139(1)      139(-2)      139(-2)
               reviews     422(8)     1514(20)    3514(-20)   11988(34)
                merged     295(34)    1168(24)    3242(47)    12487(24)
             abandoned      10(-2)      45(-7)     188(-28)     650(-4)
           own commits     167(18)     708(-12)   2263(-34)    9559(-93)
        review commits      98(40)     289(18)     860(50)     3090(29)
        contributor...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                  open      19(-21)    247(-20)    247(-27)     248(-27)
               reviews     798(-4)    2880(16)    7720(-32)   30186(-194)
                merged      38(16)     102(13)     348(15)     2023(-69)
             abandoned      11(7)       45(6)      132(-16)     535(4)
           own commits      49(23)     138(16)     332(39)     1058(28)
        review commits       0(0)        0(0)        0(0)         0(0)
    + easyHack statistics:
       needsDevEval 8(8)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 325(325)
       total 411(411)   assigned 26(26)   open 352(352)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Kurt Nordback made 20 patches in 1 month, and 21 patches in 1 year
          Dione Maddern made 14 patches in 1 month, and 22 patches in 1 year
          Armin Le Grand (allotropia) made 11 patches in 1 month, and 85 patches in 1 year
          Luv Sharma made 6 patches in 1 month, and 12 patches in 1 year
          Eli Schwartz made 5 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
          Akshay Warrier made 4 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
          Hubert Figuière made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
          Weblate made 3 patches in 1 month, and 18 patches in 1 year
          vivek javiya made 3 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
          Devansh Varshney made 3 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
    + top 10 reviewers:
          Caolán McNamara made 188 review comments in 1 month, and 1170 in 1 year
          Vajna, Miklos made 116 review comments in 1 month, and 968 in 1 year
          Michael Stahl made 110 review comments in 1 month, and 1036 in 1 year
          Grandin, Noel made 106 review comments in 1 month, and 630 in 1 year
          Thorsten Behrens made 88 review comments in 1 month, and 618 in 1 year
          Ilmari Lauhakangas made 80 review comments in 1 month, and 458 in 1 year
          Nabet, Julien made 68 review comments in 1 month, and 980 in 1 year
          Christian Lohmaier made 66 review comments in 1 month, and 356 in 1 year
          Xisco Fauli made 66 review comments in 1 month, and 782 in 1 year
          Taichi Haradaguchi made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 122 in 1 year
    + Patches automatically abandoned:
        Simplify long if statements ( Hannah Meeks )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/155868
        tdf#156776 Base Table Design Save As For Dummies... ( Pierre Vacher )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/155950
        Ensure BarOfPie has ScaleData::ShiftedCategoryPosition == false ( Kurt Nordback )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/156367
        Restructuring to support reasonably code-efficient design for of-pie charts ( Kurt Nordback )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/156460
        Some rejiggering of of-pie code, plus implementing subpie chart ( Kurt Nordback )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/157302
        vcl: const parameters of local functions in outdev/text.cxx ( Chris Sherlock )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/159656
        vcl: move textlineinfo.hxx to inc/text and move classes to vcl::text namespace ( Chris Sherlock )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/159971
    + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
          Kevin Ottens

* Outreachy (Ilmari)
  + find in the sidebar for Writer -- patch is pending review
  + several patches for the qt welding project

* GSoC (Ilmari)
    + https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/programs/2024/organizations/libreoffice
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/2024
    + till March 18: Potential participants discuss application ideas

* Deprecating Windows 7 and 8/8.1? (Ilmari)
  * Firefox 115 ESR is the last release supporting anything older than Windows 10
    + EOL of that is September 2024, FWIW (Miklos)
  * Chrome 110 (released a year ago) requires Windows 10
  * Market share looks like 5% of Windows.
  * What does "deprecating" mean? (Hossein)
    + deprecating means: announcement of the intention (Ilmari)
  * Amend wording to make clear that OS versions no longer supported by the OS Vendor are only compatible on a best-effort basis, no explicit testing is done, and while we don't intentionally break functionality some things might not work without us realizing (Cloph)
  * If the release notes say so, the website will also need updating (Stephane)
    + that can be done, but it comes in 2025
AI: add this to the 24.8 release notes (Ilmari)

* Commit Access

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Miklos/László/Gabriel)
  + resting since: 18 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64     jobs: 207 ok: 195 ko:   4 fail ratio: 1.93% mean_ok:   9 ( 21) median_ok:   7 ( 17)
gerrit_android_arm         jobs: 207 ok: 201 ko:   2 fail ratio: 0.97% mean_ok:   9 ( 20) median_ok:   7 ( 14)
gerrit_android_x86         jobs: 206 ok: 197 ko:   3 fail ratio: 1.46% mean_ok:   8 ( 20) median_ok:   7 ( 15)
gerrit_android_x86_64      jobs: 207 ok: 199 ko:   3 fail ratio: 1.45% mean_ok:  10 ( 21) median_ok:   7 ( 15)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 428 ok: 262 ko: 146 fail ratio: 34.11% mean_ok:  39 ( 45) median_ok:  32 ( 42)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release   jobs: 488 ok: 407 ko:  54 fail ratio: 11.07% mean_ok:  17 ( 26) median_ok:  15 ( 22)
gerrit_mac                 jobs: 420 ok: 316 ko:  85 fail ratio: 20.24% mean_ok:  51 ( 52) median_ok:  48 ( 48)
gerrit_windows             jobs: 438 ok: 293 ko: 118 fail ratio: 26.94% mean_ok:  61 ( 87) median_ok:  47 ( 72)
gerrit_master_ml           jobs: 521 ok: 233 ko: 235 fail ratio: 45.11% mean_ok: 107 (107) median_ok:  87 ( 88)
gerrit_master              jobs:  58 ok:  28 ko:  27 fail ratio: 46.55% mean_ok:  76 ( 76) median_ok:  69 ( 69)
gerrit_master_seq          jobs: 460 ok: 206 ko: 204 fail ratio: 44.35% mean_ok: 108 (110) median_ok:  90 ( 91)
   + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_240222.html
   + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
      3 aborted by jenkins job timeout                gerrit_windows
      3 CppunitTest_sc_subsequent_filters_test3                gerrit_windows
      3 CppunitTest_sw_layoutwriter2                gerrit_windows
      3 UITest_writer_tests7                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      4 CppunitTest_sc_filters_test                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
      4 CppunitTest_toolkit_a11y                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
      4 JunitTest_sw_complex                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      4 UITest_writer_tests8                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      5 CppunitTest_sw_a11y                gerrit_windows
      5 CppunitTest_test_a11y                gerrit_windows
     10 CppunitTest_sw_pdf_test                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
     + this week was OK in terms of Windows builds (Cloph)
     + CppunitTest_sw_pdf_test might be a dependency issue, but didn't look closely
     + there is also a long change chain in the queue (Cloph)
       + possibly this chain produced the pdf failures
     + CppunitTest_test_a11y failures, was that a bot related failure or not? (Michael W)
       + possibly was an attempt to just keep the build more stable, probably not bot related (Cloph)

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
    + A11y update (Michael W)
      * gtk4: Implement new GtkAccessibleTextInterface, related Gtk upstream fixes
      * Accerciser: submitted MR to make "Select object under mouse pointer" work for
        Gtk 4 apps on X11, related Gtk fixes
    + JJ's work on crash report website (Stéphane)
      + repo is now on gerrit, under infra, open for contributions

* COOL Days 2024 (Miklos)
  + https://www.collaboraoffice.com/cool-days-2024/  8th -> 10th April
  + contributors can submit 5 mins talk proposals at https://eventyay.com/e/0512424d/cfs
  + LibreOffice Technology hackfest as part of it

* QA update (Xisco)
    + UNCONFIRMED: 1120 (-7)
        + enhancements: 265  (+4)
        + needsUXEval: 2 (-3)
        + haveBackTrace: 9 (+0)
        + needsDevAdvice: 45 (+0)
        + documentation:  10 (+1)
        + android:  0 (+0)
        + iOS:  0 (+0)
        + Online:  9 (-1)


    + Most pressing bugs:
     New:
        + Crash at undo of RTF Paste
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159385
            + bisected to Tomaz


    + New high severity bugs of the week:
        + Libreoffice unusable with different scale factors used for different screens in multimonitor setup (on kf5/qt5/qt6 vcl + wayland)
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141578
            + not tagged as a regression

        + LibreOffice Calc ODS files saved with passwords under 7.6.4 (X86_64) cannot be opened in 24.2.0.3 (X86_64) (Windows 7)
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159512
            + Fixed. Thanks to M. Stahl

        + Manual line break forces automatic Wrap Text
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159690
            + bisected to Paris

* QA stats (Stéphane)
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
      +97  +6 (-88) overall)
      many thanks to the top bug squashers:
       QA Administrators       11
       Buovjaga                9
       Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 5
       Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 5
       Heiko Tietze            4
       Julien Nabet            4
       Laurent Balland         4
       Michael Stahl (allotropia) 4
       Mike Kaganski           3
       V Stuart Foote          3

    + top 10 bugs reporters:
       Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 4
       lvm                     4
       Adalbert Hanßen         3
       Oliver Specht (CIB)     3
       Olivier Hallot          3
       Aron Budea              2
       Buovjaga                2
       Mukul Gupta             2
       Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 2
       Telesto                 2

    + top 10 bugs fixers:
       Kelemen, Gabor          5
       Balland-Poirier, Laurent 4
       Kaganski, Mike          3
       Michael Stahl           3
       Balazs Varga            1
       Baole Fang              1
       Caolán McNamara         1
       Grandin, Noel           1
       Henschel, Regina        1
       Ilmari Lauhakangas      1

    + top 10 bugs confirmers:
       Ilmari Lauhakangas      20
       Stéphane Guillou        11
       m.a.riosv               5
       *UNKNOWN*               4
       Aron Budea              3
       Heiko Tietze            3
       Kaganski, Mike          3
       Raal                    3
       Xisco Fauli             3
       Ady                     2


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   +

     done by:
        Stéphane Guillou       4
        Aron Budea             3
        Xisco Fauli            3
        Ilmari Lauhakangas     2
        Kevin Suo              2
        Justin Luth            1
        Kaganski, Mike         1
        Telesto                1


* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   +

     done by:
        Stéphane Guillou       5
        Aron Budea             3
        Xisco Fauli            3
        Ilmari Lauhakangas     2
        Bogdan B               1
        Justin Luth            1
        Telesto                1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 1258(+1) bugs open of 13200(+6) total 22(+0) high prio.

     done by:
        Stéphane Guillou       3
        Ilmari Lauhakangas     2
        Ady                    1
        Bogdan B               1
        Gerald Pfeifer         1
        Justin Luth            1
        Raal                   1
        Nabet, Julien          1
        Telesto                1
        Vernon, Stuart Foote   1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
     Writer        - 15(+1)
     LibreOffice   - 2(+0)
     Calc          - 1(-1)
     Impress       - 1(+0)
     Printing and PDF export - 1(+0)
     UI            - 1(+0)

   by OS:
     All           - 16(+0)
     Linux         - 5(+0)
     Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
     Windows       - 1(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
     Writer: other            - 455(+0)
     Calc                     - 230(-1)
     Impress                  - 128(-2)
     LibreOffice              - 56(+2)
     Crashes                  - 52(+0)
     Draw                     - 50(+0)
     Writer: docx filter      - 45(+0)
     Base                     - 38(+0)
     Borders                  - 35(+0)
     UI                       - 35(-1)
     Writer: perf             - 34(+0)
     Writer: other filter     - 31(+0)
     Printing and PDF export  - 26(+0)
     Chart                    - 23(+0)
     RTL                      - 23(+0)
     filters and storage      - 23(+2)
     BASIC                    - 19(+0)
     Writer: doc filter       - 16(+0)
     graphics stack           - 11(+0)
     Formula Editor           - 7(+0)
     framework                - 3(+0)
     Extensions               - 2(+0)
     sdk                      - 2(+0)
     Linguistic               - 1(+0)



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