* Present:
+ Heiko, Thorsten, Caolan, Cloph, Ilmari, Michael S, Olivier, Stephan, Stephane, Xisco, Miklos, Eike, Hossein, Michael M, Tomaz
* Completed Action Items:
* Pending Action Items:
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 7.6 status: alpha 1 in 3 weeks, from master
+ feature freeze in June
+ 7.5 status: 7.5.3 rc2 next week
+ 7.4 status: 7.4.7 rc1 this week (tagged yesterday)
+ last planned release, be careful with backports
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Documenting the API (?)
+ Rationale (see wiki)
+ Can be set as 10's of easy-hacks
+ example: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/149590
+ PVT msg : "Then again, the perfect is the enemy of the good,
and if we can Easy-Hackify & crowd-source this for Basic,
why not start doing it."
+ Summary https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2023#Project_2:_Illustrate_API_Documentation_with_examples
+ already commented on the gerrit change (Stephan)
+ do we want the basic code samples to the IDL files?
+ thought would be use the DevGuide to describe the bigger picture
+ do we have links from the HTML (from IDL) to the DevGuide? (Michael S)
+ yes, generated from odk/docs/idl/idl_chapter_refs.txt
+ any drawback to this approach? (Stephane)
+ is used to seeing lots of examples
+ sitting on the fence (Thorsten)
+ the API is hard to grok with its generic interfaces
+ is it useful to have in-code examples?
+ OTOH we should not stop because we don't have something perfect
+ this setup is already there, just need to write the examples
+ e.g. PHP: formal doc + users can comment on the website
+ good idea to start, but let's not forget the long-term goals
+ like the idea, but is this the correct place to host such documentation? (Hossein)
+ vs hosting it in the wiki, what is the benefit?
+ currently have to use xray to understand what's ongoing (Olivier)
+ and only then read the API documentation
+ simple use-cases are very complicated
+ the programming language is just a detail
+ also like the PHP approach
+ and integrate API docs into an IDE
+ but for the short-term, start producing results early
+ it would be possible to add examples to the wiki, then refer to it from offapi/, similar to the DevGuide, but is it better? (Michael S)
+ depends on the size of the example, large samples are better not inline (Stephan)
+ see a bit of danger: sample example in 5 different languages (Stephan)
* Helpcontent2
+ Updates and fixes (ohallot)
* Guides
+ Updates in progress
+ Bugzilla Documentation statistics
265(265) bugs open
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
created 12(0) 40(-4) 123(3) 307(5)
commented 7(-39) 102(-35) 347(-7) 1121(-16)
resolved 3(-1) 16(-3) 58(0) 176(3)
+ top 10 contributors:
Seth Chaiklin made 53 changes in 1 month, and 492 changes in 1 year
Olivier Hallot made 47 changes in 1 month, and 458 changes in 1 year
Bogdan B made 39 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
Stéphane Guillou made 36 changes in 1 month, and 190 changes in 1 year
Heiko Tietze made 15 changes in 1 month, and 114 changes in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 97 changes in 1 year
Rafael Lima made 7 changes in 1 month, and 119 changes in 1 year
Eyal Rozenberg made 6 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
Xisco Fauli made 4 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
Rathke, Eike made 2 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
281(281) (topicUI) bugs open, 96(96) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
added 10(2) 27(4) 51(3) 85(3)
commented 122(67) 328(38) 748(44) 2318(52)
removed 0(-4) 7(-2) 10(0) 31(-2)
resolved 6(3) 24(-3) 84(-4) 279(-1)
+ top 10 contributors:
Heiko Tietze made 191 changes in 1 month, and 1414 changes in 1 year
Vernon, Stuart Foote made 86 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
Stéphane Guillou made 52 changes in 1 month, and 213 changes in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 49 changes in 1 month, and 226 changes in 1 year
Dieter made 39 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
Eyal Rozenberg made 33 changes in 1 month, and 287 changes in 1 year
Bogdan B made 15 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
Rafael Lima made 14 changes in 1 month, and 277 changes in 1 year
Baole Fang made 11 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
Don Matschull made 11 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
+ [Bug 154781] Pasting into a cell should make it change to edit mode
+ [Bug 154890] Enhancement:Change labels in the Curves and Polygons toolbar
+ [Bug 154903] Impress: Master Slide deck in Sibebar should have Title,
Footers and more options
+ [Bug 154794] Add -None- to choices in the Arrow Styles tab of Line dialog
+ [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
+ [Bug 154766] management of ellipsis variants
+ [Bug 154693] Proposal to Modernize Appearance of Active Slide
-> + [Bug 154788] The default width of Calc columns should be a bit narrower
+ [Bug 154714] Auto capital should not be applicable to a single letter
inside quotations
+ [Bug 154787] Ambiguous File menu entry for creating a new document
from a template
-> + two more word ignore at a time
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154499
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 91(+25) import failure, 20(-3) export failures
+ new split fly frame
- but older existing export crash fixed
+ 0 coverity issues
+ 4 ossfuzz issues, no crashes
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.4.6.2
+ (+170) 683 513 392 371 241 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.1.2
+ (-180) 980 1160 1400 1241 854 546 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.2.2
+ (+423) 950 527 0
+ 5-6 crashes identified and fixed by Caolán and Xisco this week
* Mentoring (Hossein)
committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 96(35) 152(21) 177(23) 183(23)
reviews 348(16) 1138(-24) 3560(2) 11682(72)
merged 300(94) 1110(-12) 3860(-85) 14632(37)
abandoned 19(6) 79(11) 199(-1) 714(11)
own commits 220(75) 815(16) 2702(-61) 10649(27)
review commits 57(14) 214(-52) 816(8) 2891(19)
contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 25(-1) 56(-5) 233(2) 240(1)
reviews 830(200) 2694(16) 8520(-160) 31128(102)
merged 6(-9) 51(-12) 178(-9) 726(-11)
abandoned 8(2) 25(0) 92(5) 501(2)
own commits 20(0) 82(-36) 321(-2) 946(10)
review commits 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0)
+ easyHack statistics:
needsDevEval 9(9) needsUXEval 1(1) cleanup_comments 323(323)
total 391(391) assigned 32(32) open 333(333)
+ top 10 contributors:
Armin Le Grand (allotropia) made 10 patches in 1 month, and 57 patches in 1 year
Stéphane Guillou made 7 patches in 1 month, and 13 patches in 1 year
made 4 patches in 1 month, and 38 patches in 1 year
Bogdan B made 4 patches in 1 month, and 91 patches in 1 year
Bayram Çiçek made 3 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
Baole Fang made 3 patches in 1 month, and 10 patches in 1 year
Damjan, Jovanovic made 2 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
Vojtěch Doležal made 2 patches in 1 month, and 8 patches in 1 year
Czeber László made 2 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
Arvind K made 2 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
+ top 10 reviewers:
McNamara, Caolán made 120 review comments in 1 month, and 1148 in 1 year
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 100 review comments in 1 month, and 1048 in 1 year
Michael Stahl made 86 review comments in 1 month, and 1052 in 1 year
Nabet, Julien made 84 review comments in 1 month, and 862 in 1 year
Xisco Fauli made 78 review comments in 1 month, and 792 in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 62 review comments in 1 month, and 310 in 1 year
Kłos, Szymon made 56 review comments in 1 month, and 190 in 1 year
Thorsten Behrens made 54 review comments in 1 month, and 536 in 1 year
Timar, Andras made 52 review comments in 1 month, and 318 in 1 year
Vajna, Miklos made 50 review comments in 1 month, and 698 in 1 year
+ Patches automatically abandoned:
tdf#98226 sw_undo:UnitTest ( Poonam Shokeen )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/142497
wip: don't offer line join of "none" in the UI anymore ( Caolán McNamara )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/145359
wip: ditch B2DLineJoin::NONE ( Caolán McNamara )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/145360
Translate example from German to English ( Andrea Gelmini )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/145709
tdf#153319 fix footnote related crash ( Caolán McNamara )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/146534
tdf#141908: replace usage of sal_Int32 with Color ( Devansh Jain )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/146685
Remove break; ( Andrea Gelmini )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/146751
Writer UITest: Outline numbering tooltips when scrolling are missing space ( Radhey Parekh )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/147091
* Worked on Python port of the DevGuide
* DevGuide, Chapter 1: First Steps
* Done: 2, remaining: 1 (Python)
* Small code snippets remaining
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DevGuide/First_Steps
* the more languages, the better (Stephan)
* better than having many languages in idl files
* Reviewed old EasyHacks to make sure they are still relevant
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks/Review
* Some of the mentee problems:
* Poblems with ccache -> wrong shell instead of bash
* Problem with giving input in console -> losing .bashrc/bash_profile
* ESC tender project proposal process (Thorsten)
+ as previously announced (in email), changes coming down from the board
+ how the tenderable projects are selected by the ESC
+ early draft is circulated - feedback appreciated
+ would be good to do this transparently (Michael M)
+ need more time to provide feedback (Eike)
+ it goes at great length specifying how to exclude people (Michael M)
+ but everyone can rank
+ result may be that nearly only the TDF staff turn up to vote, because others may want to bid
+ concerned to make sure staff can vote according to their personal opinion, not management hierarchy up to & including the Board.
+ the idea that big tasks can be precisely estimated is interesting
+ depends on who does the work, what other tasks those people have, risks etc.
+ there is no uniform 'person day'
+ excluding more people because they helped estimate seems un-helpful
+ otherwise looks reasonable
+ also worried about precise estimates (Stephan)
+ making the pool even smaller
+ already a small set of people understand that area, then silly to exclude them
+ proposal would be: (Thorsten)
+ share the draft in public: see https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/YprpsFP45z7a7p3
+ what's a useful timeline for feedback ?
+ its a blocker for budgeting.
+ depends on if the "precise estimate" rule can be e.g. removed (Michael M)
+ timeline for the first round of feedback? (Thorsten)
+ next Thur? 27th Apr?
+ support the idea (Eike, Michael M)
+ what is the alternative? (Heiko)
+ the alternative is to not tender anything, nobody wants that
+ alternative could be that all TDF members can rank ideas (Michael M)
+ need to present things to others (Heiko)
+ can non-devs vote on core things ?
+ paying technical debt hard to market
+ worries about noise from board of trustees (Olivier H)
+ pet bug not fixed while other things are done.
+ not wrong that the BoD needs to decide one way or another (Thorsten)
+ but - having the people who have to implement the process - should
read & ask Q's and be able to provide feedback - if something doesn't
make sense - is important to provide that opportunity
+ overall pleased it preserves inclusion for ranking & concept of ESC
consensus helpfully (Michael M)
=> feedback in a week.
* GSoC (Ilmari)
+ timeline: 27th of April ranking needs to be done
+ mentors being invited, joining the org
+ reviews appreciated https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/q/status:open+-ownerin:Committers+repo:core+branch:master
* Commit Access
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten/László)
+ resting since: 5 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)
* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64 jobs: 217 ok: 191 ko: 11 fail ratio: 5.07% mean_ok: 14 ( 23) median_ok: 10 ( 16)
gerrit_android_arm jobs: 218 ok: 192 ko: 15 fail ratio: 6.88% mean_ok: 14 ( 23) median_ok: 10 ( 15)
gerrit_android_x86 jobs: 220 ok: 195 ko: 12 fail ratio: 5.45% mean_ok: 14 ( 24) median_ok: 9 ( 16)
gerrit_android_x86_64 jobs: 219 ok: 200 ko: 9 fail ratio: 4.11% mean_ok: 14 ( 23) median_ok: 10 ( 16)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 465 ok: 290 ko: 146 fail ratio: 31.40% mean_ok: 52 ( 63) median_ok: 48 ( 57)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release jobs: 437 ok: 374 ko: 41 fail ratio: 9.38% mean_ok: 26 ( 33) median_ok: 22 ( 26)
gerrit_mac jobs: 449 ok: 338 ko: 75 fail ratio: 16.70% mean_ok: 43 ( 68) median_ok: 39 ( 53)
gerrit_windows jobs: 474 ok: 328 ko: 97 fail ratio: 20.46% mean_ok: 61 (101) median_ok: 60 ( 74)
gerrit_master jobs: 501 ok: 245 ko: 208 fail ratio: 41.52% mean_ok: 97 (106) median_ok: 73 ( 76)
+ https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_230420.html
+ tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
3 CppunitTest_sw_mailmerge gerrit_windows
3 CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter4 gerrit_linux_gcc_release
4 Killed by the kill-wrapper gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
5 CppunitTest_framework_dispatch gerrit_windows
5 CppunitTest_sw_ooxmlexport7 gerrit_windows
5 CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter4 gerrit_windows
6 UITest_sw_findBar gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
8 Killed by the kill-wrapper gerrit_mac
8 UITest_calc_tests8 gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
14 CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter4 gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
32 UITest_impress_tests gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
+ UITest_impress_test failure limited to two fastest builders (tb88-linux / tb89-linux)
those also happen to be qemu/kvm VMs
+ had a high number of failures in the UITest_impress_test, see above
+ can add auto-retry rules...
+ are auto-retry rules removed after some time? (Xisco)
+ not many rules currently (Cloph)
+ so far didn't remove any old retry rules
+ till now hadn't have rules specific to tests
+ Windows one had one test case name to detect leftover processes, though
* Swift for macOS-specific code? (Julien)
+ see https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154849 for context
+ it doesn't make much difference either way (Cloph)
+ also think: if there is no technical reason to switch, then why switch from Objective-C (Stephan)
+ not looking forward to invest the necessary configure / gbuild work
+ unless there is a compelling technical reason
+ Apple deprecates technology fast (Michael M)
+ if the person wants to also do the gbuild work, why not?
+ idea was: convert, then fix things (Caolan)
+ so these are separated cleanly.
=> first do the fixing, then the conversion ideally (Miklos)
* What’s cooking (Miklos)
+ Multi-page floating tables in Writer (Miklos)
+ next is to look at DOCX-related crashtest finds
+ does it work for RTL ? (Hossein)
+ interested in bug reports (Miklos)
+ multi-color gradients (Armin)
+ if you want to play with that, opt in with MCGR_TEST=1
+ expect: one more set of fixes, then enable for OOXML
+ Regina is working on the ODF side
+ theming work (Tomaz)
+ merging patches for filter bits for Writer
+ then some more UI work
* LibreOffice conference Bucharest 2023 (Gabriel)
+ Italo visiting the venue (Olivier)
* QA update (Xisco)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 1132 (-9)
+ enhancements: 307 (+2)
+ needsUXEval: 11 (+3)
+ haveBackTrace: 6 (-1)
+ needsDevAdvice: 32 (+0)
+ documentation: 2 (-2)
+ android: 3 (+0)
+ iOS: 0 (+0)
+ Online: 12 (+0)
+ Most pressing bugs:
New:
None
+ New high severity bugs of the week:
+ Long export to ods from xls / xlsx since 7.4.0beta1
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152104
+ regression from jumbo sheets work
* QA stats (Stéphane)
+ Small dashboard changes: https://stragu.shinyapps.io/lo_qa_dashboard/
+ Make categorised bars proportional (show fraction rather than absolute value)
+ Merged renamed major releases
+ Download current table view
+ New meta bug for Thunderbird interop: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154755
+ New meta bug for Accessibility Sidebar / Automatic Accessibility Checking: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154929
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+132 +21 (-143) overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 25
QA Administrators 16
Buovjaga 10
Caolán McNamara 8
Mike Kaganski 8
Justin L 7
Julien Nabet 5
Eike Rathke 4
Andreas Heinisch 3
BogdanB 3
+ top 10 bugs reporters:
Rafael Lima 12
Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 8
Eyal Rozenberg 7
Telesto 4
Alexander Kurakin 3
Don Matschull 3
Joysn71 3
Michael FA 2
Regina Henschel 2
Robert Großkopf 2
+ top 10 bugs fixers:
McNamara, Caolán 7
Andreas Heinisch 3
Grandin, Noel 3
Rathke, Eike 3
Justin Luth 2
Kaganski, Mike 2
Németh, László 2
Patrick Luby 2
Robert Großkopf 2
Tünde Tóth 2
+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
Ilmari Lauhakangas 32
Stéphane Guillou 28
Dieter 8
Heiko Tietze 8
Nabet, Julien 7
Raal 4
m.a.riosv 4
Kelemen, Gabor 3
Rathke, Eike 3
Robert Großkopf 3
* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
+ more accurate - down to a single commit.
+ http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
+
done by:
Ilmari Lauhakangas 6
Stéphane Guillou 4
Raal 3
Kelemen, Gabor 2
Weghorn, Michael 1
* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
+ http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
+
done by:
Ilmari Lauhakangas 6
Stéphane Guillou 4
Raal 3
Kelemen, Gabor 2
Weghorn, Michael 1
sockseight 1
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 1247(-4) bugs open of 12493(+13) total 15(-2) high prio.
done by:
Stéphane Guillou 4
Ilmari Lauhakangas 3
Kelemen, Gabor 1
Weghorn, Michael 1
Raal 1
Telesto 1
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
Writer - 8(+0)
Calc - 3(+0)
LibreOffice - 2(+0)
Draw - 1(+0)
Impress - 1(+0)
BASIC - 0(-1)
Formula Editor - 0(-1)
by OS:
All - 10(-1)
Linux - 2(+0)
Mac OS X - 0(+0)
Windows - 3(-1)
* ~Component count net * all regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
Writer: other - 443(+3)
Calc - 226(+1)
Impress - 133(-1)
LibreOffice - 54(-1)
Writer: docx filter - 52(+0)
Crashes - 50(-3)
Draw - 47(+0)
Base - 44(-1)
UI - 37(-1)
Writer: perf - 34(-1)
Borders - 32(+0)
Writer: other filter - 30(+0)
Chart - 26(+0)
Printing and PDF export - 23(+1)
RTL - 23(+0)
Writer: doc filter - 21(+0)
BASIC - 17(-1)
filters and storage - 15(+0)
graphics stack - 12(+0)
Formula Editor - 3(-1)
Extensions - 2(+0)
sdk - 2(+0)
Linguistic - 1(+0)
framework - 1(+0)
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