The advice you received is pretty good. Avoid ingress shaping at all costs, and you don't need it anyway for your situation. Use egress shaping on both your internal and external interfaces. Traffic coming IN to your network gets shaped as egress traffic on the LAN interface. Traffic going OUT from your network gets shaped as egress traffic on the WAN interface. So all shaping is egress, but you're able to shape in both directions by always delaying packets as they are SENT by your router. Think of it this way : all you can really do is delay sending packets (or ultimately drop them which is the same as infinitely delaying). Packets arrive when they arrive, you have no control over that. This is why shaping has to be done on egress traffic -- it's the only lever you have to pull on. _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc