Hi Recently, I wrote about some problems with the htb patch for 2.4.17 and the pppoe daemon from roaring penguin: http://mailman.ds9a.nl/pipermail/lartc/2002q1/002560.html The problem I described was NOT caused by htb. The problem seems to be caused by the h323 patch for netfilter. Meanwhile a new h323 patch is out. Using this patch and htb (and several others :) I don't have the problem anymore. Thomas