On Fri, Jul 21 2023, Marc Zyngier <maz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 09:38:23 +0100, > Cornelia Huck <cohuck@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 20 2023, Jing Zhang <jingzhangos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > No mechanism was provided to userspace to discover if a given idreg or >> > any fields of a given idreg is writable. The write to a readonly idreg >> > can also succeed (write ignored) without any error if what's written >> > is exactly the same as what the idreg holds or if it is a write to >> > AArch32 idregs on an AArch64-only system. >> >> Hm, I'm not sure that's a good thing for the cases where we want to >> support mix-and-match userspace and kernels. Userspace may want to know >> upfront whether it can actually tweak the contents of an idreg or not >> (for example, in the context of using CPU models for compatibility), so >> that it can reject or warn about certain configurations that may not >> turn out as the user expects. >> >> > Not sure if it is worth adding an API to return the writable mask for >> > idregs, since we want to enable the writable for all allocated >> > unhidden idregs eventually. >> >> We'd enable any new idregs for writing from the start in the future, I >> guess? >> >> I see two approaches here: >> - add an API to get a list of idregs with their writable masks >> - add a capability "you can write to all idregs whatever you'd expect to >> be able to write there architecture wise", which would require to add >> support for all idregs prior to exposing that cap >> >> The second option would be the easier one (if we don't manage to break >> it in the future :) > > I'm not sure the last option is even possible. The architecture keeps > allocating new ID registers in the op0==3, op1=={0, 1, 3}, CRn==0, > CRm=={0-7}, op2=={0-7} space, so fields that were RES0 until then > start having a non-0 value. > > This could lead to a situation where you move from a system that > didn't know about ID_AA64MMFR6_EL1.XYZ to a system that advertises it, > and for which the XYZ instruction has another behaviour. Bad things > follow. Hrm :( > > My preference would be a single ioctl that returns the full list of > writeable masks in the ID reg range. It is big, but not crazy big > (1536 bytes, if I haven't messed up), and includes the non ID_*_EL1 > sysreg such as MPIDR_EL1, CTR_EL1, SMIDR_EL1. > > It would allow the VMM to actively write zeroes to any writable ID > register it doesn't know about, or for which it doesn't have anything > to restore. It is also relatively future proof, as it covers > *everything* the architecture has provisioned for the future (by the > time that space is exhausted, I hope none of us will still be involved > with this crap). Famous last words :) But yes, that should work. This wouldn't be the first ioctl returning a long list, and the VMM would just call it once on VM startup to figure things out anyway.