On Tue, Jul 04 2023, Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Cornelia,
>
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 05:06:30PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 26 2023, Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 07:45:51PM +0000, Jing Zhang wrote:
>> >> + brps = FIELD_GET(ID_AA64DFR0_EL1_BRPs_MASK, val);
>> >> + ctx_cmps = FIELD_GET(ID_AA64DFR0_EL1_CTX_CMPs_MASK, val);
>> >> + if (ctx_cmps > brps)
>> >> + return -EINVAL;
>> >> +
>> >
>> > I'm not fully convinced on the need to do this sort of cross-field
>> > validation... I think it is probably more trouble than it is worth. If
>> > userspace writes something illogical to the register, oh well. All we
>> > should care about is that the advertised feature set is a subset of
>> > what's supported by the host.
>> >
>> > The series doesn't even do complete sanity checking, and instead works
>> > on a few cherry-picked examples. AA64PFR0.EL{0-3} would also require
>> > special handling depending on how pedantic you're feeling. AArch32
>> > support at a higher exception level implies AArch32 support at all lower
>> > exception levels.
>> >
>> > But that isn't a suggestion to implement it, more of a suggestion to
>> > just avoid the problem as a whole.
>>
>> Generally speaking, how much effort do we want to invest to prevent
>> userspace from doing dumb things? "Make sure we advertise a subset of
>> features of what the host supports" and "disallow writing values that
>> are not allowed by the architecture in the first place" seem reasonable,
>> but if userspace wants to create weird frankencpus[1], should it be
>> allowed to break the guest and get to keep the pieces?
>
> What I'm specifically objecting to is having KVM do sanity checks across
> multiple fields. That requires explicit, per-field plumbing that will
> eventually become a tangled mess that Marc and I will have to maintain.
> The context-aware breakpoints is one example, as is ensuring SVE is
> exposed iff FP is too. In all likelihood we'll either get some part of
> this wrong, or miss a required check altogether.
Nod, this sounds like more trouble than it's worth in the end.
>
> Modulo a few exceptions to this case, I think per-field validation is
> going to cover almost everything we're worried about, and we get that
> largely for free from arm64_check_features().
>
>> I'd be more in favour to rely on userspace to configure something that
>> is actually usable; it needs to sanitize any user-provided configuration
>> anyway.
>
> Just want to make sure I understand your sentiment here, you'd be in
> favor of the more robust sanitization?
In userspace. E.g. QEMU can go ahead and try to implement the
user-exposed knobs in a way that the really broken configurations are
not even possible. I'd also expect userspace to have a more complete
view of what it is trying to instantiate (especially if code is shared
between instantiating a vcpu for use with KVM and a fully emulated
vcpu -- we probably don't want to go all crazy in the latter case,
either.)
>
>> [1] I think userspace will end up creating frankencpus in any case, but
>> at least it should be the kind that doesn't look out of place in the
>> subway if you dress it in proper clothing.
>
> I mean, KVM already advertises a frankencpu in the first place, so we're
> off to a good start :)
Indeed :)
