Re: [PATCH 0/4] KVM: arm64: PMU: Fix PMUVer handling on heterogeneous PMU systems

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Hi Marc,

On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 06:02:41AM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> Hey Reiji,
> 
> On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:53:24 +0100,
> Reiji Watanabe <reijiw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Marc,
> > 
> > On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 02:39:28PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > > On Sat, 27 May 2023 05:02:32 +0100,
> > > Reiji Watanabe <reijiw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > This series fixes issues with PMUVer handling for a guest with
> > > > PMU configured on heterogeneous PMU systems.
> > > > Specifically, it addresses the following two issues.
> > > > 
> > > > [A] The default value of ID_AA64DFR0_EL1.PMUVer of the vCPU is set
> > > >     to its sanitized value.  This could be inappropriate on
> > > >     heterogeneous PMU systems, as arm64_ftr_bits for PMUVer is defined
> > > >     as FTR_EXACT with safe_val == 0 (when ID_AA64DFR0_EL1.PMUVer of all
> > > >     PEs on the host is not uniform, the sanitized value will be 0).
> > > 
> > > Why is this a problem? The CPUs don't implement the same version of
> > > the architecture, we don't get a PMU. Why should we try to do anything
> > > better? I really don't think we should go out or out way and make the
> > > code more complicated for something that doesn't really exist.
> > 
> > Even when the CPUs don't implement the same version of the architecture,
> > if one of them implement PMUv3, KVM advertises KVM_CAP_ARM_PMU_V3,
> > and allows userspace to configure PMU (KVM_ARM_VCPU_PMU_V3) for vCPUs.
> 
> Ah, I see it now. The kernel will register the PMU even if it decides
> that advertising it is wrong, and then we pick it up. Great :-/.
> 
> > In this case, although KVM provides PMU emulations for the guest,
> > the guest's ID_AA64DFR0_EL1.PMUVer will be zero.  Also,
> > KVM_SET_ONE_REG for ID_AA64DFR0_EL1 will never work for vCPUs
> > with PMU configured on such systems (since KVM also doesn't allow
> > userspace to set the PMUVer to 0 for the vCPUs with PMU configured).
> > 
> > I would think either ID_AA64DFR0_EL1.PMUVer for the guest should
> > indicate PMUv3, or KVM should not allow userspace to configure PMU,
> > in this case.
> 
> My vote is on the latter. Even if a PMU is available, we should rely
> on the feature exposed by the kernel to decide whether exposing a PMU
> or not.
> 
> To be honest, this will affect almost nobody (I only know of a single
> one, an obscure ARMv8.0+ARMv8.2 system which is very unlikely to ever
> use KVM). I'm happy to take the responsibility to actively break those.

Thank you for the information! Just curious, how about a mix of
cores with and without PMU ? (with the same ARMv8.x version)
I'm guessing there are very few if any though :) 


> 
> > This series is a fix for the former, mainly to keep the current
> > behavior of KVM_CAP_ARM_PMU_V3 and KVM_ARM_VCPU_PMU_V3 on such
> > systems, since I wasn't sure if such systems don't really exist :)
> > (Also, I plan to implement a similar fix for PMCR_EL0.N on top of
> > those changes)
> > 
> > I could make a fix for the latter instead though. What do you think ?
> 
> I think this would be valuable.

Thank you for the comment! I will go with the latter.


> Also, didn't you have patches for the EL0 side of the PMU? I've been
> trying to look for a new version, but couldn't find it...

While I'm working on fixing the series based on the recent comment from
Oliver (https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZG%2Fw95pYjWnMJB62@xxxxxxxxx/),
I have a new PMU EL0 issue, which blocked my testing of the series.
So, I am debugging the new PMU EL0 issue.

It appears that arch_perf_update_userpage() defined in
drivers/perf/arm_pmuv3.c isn't used, and instead, the weak one in
kernel/events/core.c is used.  This prevents cap_user_rdpmc (, etc)
from being set (This prevented my test program from directly
accessing counters).  This seems to be caused by the commit 7755cec63ade
("arm64: perf: Move PMUv3 driver to drivers/perf").

I have not yet figured out why the one in arm_pmuv3.c isn't used
though (The weak one in core.c seems to take precedence over strong
ones under drivers/ somehow...).

Anyway, I worked around the new issue for now, and ran the test for
my series though. I will post the new version of the EL0 series
tomorrow hopefully.

Thank you,
Reiji


> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 	M.
> 
> -- 
> Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.



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