在 2023/5/22 10:37, WANG Xuerui 写道: > On 2023/5/22 09:39, maobibo wrote: >> >> >> 在 2023/5/21 18:22, WANG Xuerui 写道: >>> On 2023/5/18 10:56, maobibo wrote: >>>> <snip> >>> (BTW, how do people usually deal with pre-release hardware wit documentation not out yet? I suppose similar situations like this should turn up fairly often.) >> Manual is actually one issue, however it does not prevent the review >> process. There are some drivers for *fruit* devices, I can not find >> the hw manual also. With the manual, it helps to review and points >> out the further and detailed issues. > > There's a *slight* difference: the certain vendor you've mentioned is historically uncooperative in providing the documentation, so outside contributors had to reverse-engineer and document the HW themselves; but in Loongson's case, you *are* the vendor, so you are probably in a position that can make everyone's life easier by at least pushing for the docs release... > >>> >>> Aside from this, there's another point: use of undocumented instructions in raw form with ".word". This currently doesn't work in LLVM/Clang <snip> >> As for one new architecture, it is normal to use .word or .insn, instruction >> will update for the first few years and also compiler may be not supported >> timely. The other arch has the same phenomenon if you grep "\.insn", also >> llvm on LoongArch supports ".word" directives. >> >> After three or five years, we will remove these ".insn" macro when hw and >> compiler is matured. > > Sorry for the confusion at my side; `.word` certainly works, what doesn't work currently seems to be the `parse_r` helper. I know because I've tried in the last week with latest LLVM/Clang snapshot. And you can't write ergonomic inline asm with proper register allocator awareness without the helper; the LoongArch assembler isn't capable of assembling in a certain encoding format. With RISC-V `.insn` you can do things like `.insn r 0xNN, 0, 0, a0, a1, a2`, but you cannot simply e.g. express gcsrxchg with `.insn DJK 0x05000000, a0, a1, a2` because no such instruction format convention has been standardized. (The notation demonstrated here is taken from [1].) I hate parse_r helper also, it is hard to understand, the kernel about LoongArch has the same issue. How about using a fixed register like this? /* GCSR */ static __always_inline u64 gcsr_read(u32 reg) { u64 val = 0; BUILD_BUG_ON(!__builtin_constant_p(reg)); /* Instructions will be available in binutils later */ asm volatile ( "parse_r __reg, %[val]\n\t" /* * read val from guest csr register %[reg] * gcsrrd %[val], %[reg] */ ".word 0x5 << 24 | %[reg] << 10 | 0 << 5 | __reg\n\t" : [val] "+r" (val) : [reg] "i" (reg) : "memory"); return val; } /* GCSR */ static __always_inline u64 gcsr_read(u32 reg) { register unsigned long val asm("t0"); BUILD_BUG_ON(!__builtin_constant_p(reg)); /* Instructions will be available in binutils later */ asm volatile ( "parse_r __reg, %[val]\n\t" /* * read val from guest csr register %[reg] * gcsrrd %[val], %[reg] */ ".word 0x5 << 24 | %[reg] << 10 | 0 << 5 | 12 \n\t" : : [reg] "i" (reg) : "memory", "t0"); return val; } Regards Bibo, Mao > > In any case, it seems best to at least wait for the documentation release a little bit, or you should state clearly that this is not going to happen soon, so people can properly manage their expectation and prioritize. (For example, if I know docs and/or assembler support for the virtualization extension won't come soon, then I'd work on supporting the .word idiom before other things. Otherwise there are more important things than that.) > > [1]: https://github.com/loongson/LoongArch-Documentation/pull/56 >