Re: [PATCH kvmtool 0/2] Fixes for virtio_balloon stats printing

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Hi,

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 06:39:32PM +0100, Andre Przywara wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2022 18:07:41 +0100
> Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 04:35:30PM +0000, Keir Fraser wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 04:49:45PM +0100, Alexandru Elisei wrote:  
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 04:13:23PM +0100, Andre Przywara wrote:  
> > > > > On Mon, 23 May 2022 15:06:23 +0000
> > > > > Keir Fraser <keirf@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >   
> > > > > > On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 03:42:49PM +0100, Andre Przywara wrote:  
> > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 21:51:07 +0100
> > > > > > > Will Deacon <will@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >     
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 14:37:04 +0000, Keir Fraser wrote:    
> > > > > > > > > While playing with kvmtool's virtio_balloon device I found a couple of
> > > > > > > > > niggling issues with the printing of memory stats. Please consider
> > > > > > > > > these fairly trivial fixes.    
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Unfortunately patch 2/2 breaks compilation on userland with older kernel
> > > > > > > headers, like Ubuntu 18.04:
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >   CC       builtin-stat.o
> > > > > > > builtin-stat.c: In function 'do_memstat':
> > > > > > > builtin-stat.c:86:8: error: 'VIRTIO_BALLOON_S_HTLB_PGALLOC' undeclared (first use in this function); did you mean 'VIRTIO_BALLOON_S_AVAIL'?
> > > > > > >    case VIRTIO_BALLOON_S_HTLB_PGALLOC:
> > > > > > >         ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > >         VIRTIO_BALLOON_S_AVAIL
> > > > > > > (repeated for VIRTIO_BALLOON_S_HTLB_PGFAIL and VIRTIO_BALLOON_S_CACHES).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I don't quite remember what we did here in the past in those cases,
> > > > > > > conditionally redefine the symbols in a local header, or protect the
> > > > > > > new code with an #ifdef?    
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > For what it's worth, my opinion is that the sensible options are to:
> > > > > > 1. Build against the latest stable, or a specified version of, kernel
> > > > > > headers; or 2. Protect with ifdef'ery until new definitions are
> > > > > > considered "common enough".
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Supporting older headers by grafting or even modifying required newer
> > > > > > definitions on top seems a horrid middle ground, albeit I can
> > > > > > appreciate the pragmatism of it.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Fair enough, although I don't think option 1) is really viable for users,
> > > > > as upgrading the distro provided kernel headers is often not an option for
> > > > > the casual user. And even more versed users would probably shy away from
> > > > > staining their /usr/include directory just for kvmtool.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which just leaves option 2? If no one hollers, I will send a patch to that
> > > > > regard.  
> > > > 
> > > > How about copying the required headers to kvmtool, under include/linux?
> > > > That would remove any dependency on a specific kernel or distro version.  
> > > 
> > > Maintaining just the required headers sounds a bit of a pain. Getting  
> > 
> > Isn't the Linux mantra "don't break userspace"? So in that case, even if
> > kvmtool uses an older version of a header, that won't cause any issues,
> > right?
> 
> It should work in either way, we just might end up ignoring new features,
> if we use older header files.

I don't think that's a problem, whenever kvmtool gets support for a feature
not in the existing headers, the headers can be updated, similar to the
other KVM headers.

> 
> > > it wrong ends up copying too many headers (and there's nearly 200kLOC  
> 
> I feel we shouldn't go crazy here just because of some statistic feature.
> kvmtool is meant to be a lean and mean tool, compiling cleanly on as many
> systems as possible, as a pure user. So mandating header updates from
> innocent users sounds a bit over the top.
> 
> > We could mandate that the kernel header file is copied only when new
> > features are added to kvmtool. I don't think there's any need to do it
> > retroactively.
> 
> Just thinking: we do the header sync already for the KVM related
> headers, as we need them, and didn't want to wait for distros.
> Can't we just include some virtio headers in that list as well?

I like this idea.

Thanks,
Alex

> 
> Cheers,
> Andre
> 
> > 
> > What do you think?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> > 
> > > of them) or a confusing split between copied and system-installed
> > > headers.
> > > 
> > > How about requiring headers at include/linux and if the required
> > > version tag isn't found there, download the kernel tree and "make
> > > headers_install" with customised INSTALL_HDR_PATH? The cost is a
> > > big(ish) download: time, bandwidth, disk space.
> > > 
> > >  -- Keir
> > >   
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Alex
> > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Andre
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  Regards,
> > > > > >  Keir
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > > I would lean towards the former (and hacking this in works), but then we
> > > > > > > would need to redefine VIRTIO_BALLOON_S_NR, to encompass the new symbols,
> > > > > > > which sounds fragile.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Happy to send a patch if we agree on an approach.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Andre
> > > > > > >     
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Keir Fraser (2):
> > > > > > > > >   virtio/balloon: Fix a crash when collecting stats
> > > > > > > > >   stat: Add descriptions for new virtio_balloon stat types
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > [...]      
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Applied to kvmtool (master), thanks!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > [1/2] virtio/balloon: Fix a crash when collecting stats
> > > > > > > >       https://git.kernel.org/will/kvmtool/c/3a13530ae99a
> > > > > > > > [2/2] stat: Add descriptions for new virtio_balloon stat types
> > > > > > > >       https://git.kernel.org/will/kvmtool/c/bc77bf49df6e
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cheers,    
> > > > > > >     
> > > > >   
> 



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