On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 09:14:11AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 04:22:24PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > Paul, > > I'd like to implement a static array of pointers with rcu. > > (Note that Documentation/RCU/arrayRCU.txt addresses only the case of > > static arrays where the data (rather than a pointer to the data) is > > located in each array element). > > The array is implemented today in kvm as follows: > > > > struct kvm_io_bus { > > int dev_count; > > #define NR_IOBUS_DEVS 6 > > struct kvm_io_device *devs[NR_IOBUS_DEVS]; > > }; > > > > It's easy to use rcu_assign_pointer and > > rcu_dereference to access each value in the array, > > so that's fine. > > > > However, I also have the dev_count value to handle. > > This value is usually used in loops like this > > > > for (i = 0; i < bus->dev_count; ++i) { > > ... uses bus->devs[i] ... > > } > > So the count can vary, then. In other words, someone might change the > value of ->dev_count from (say) 5 to (say) 2, implicitly invalidating > the last three ->devs pointers, correct? > > Of course, this implicit invalidation might happen just after you > fetched the value of (say) ->devs[3]. Or just after you fetch the > value of ->dev_count, for that matter. Yes. So I need to be careful to call synchronize_rcu after changing dev_count and before I can assume readers see an updated value. > > I can assign the dev_count value with rcu_assign_pointer and even though > > it is not a pointer I think it should work fine. However, to access > > dev_count I think that rcu_dereference will not do what I want: > > > > #define rcu_dereference(p) ({ \ > > typeof(p) _________p1 = ACCESS_ONCE(p); > > \ > > smp_read_barrier_depends(); \ > > (_________p1); \ > > }) > > > > > > The use of dev_count is not through a dependency so > > smp_read_barrier_depends will not be enough on most architectures. > > > > So it seems that what I really need is something like: > > #define rcu_read_value(p) ({ \ > > typeof(p) _________p1 = ACCESS_ONCE(p); > > \ > > smp_rmb(); \ > > (_________p1); \ > > }) > > > > And maybe > > #define rcu_assign_value rcu_assign_pointer > > for symmetry. > > > > Comments? > > Hmmm... > > What you would really need to do in the above scheme is to make careful > use of memory barriers trao order the accesses to ->dev_count and the the > elements of the ->devs[] array. Right, that's my plan. I think that the strategy I outlined above where dev_count is always set with rcu_assign_value and read with rcu_read_value, all array entries are read after dev_count is read with rcu_dereference, and are assigned before dev count is updated with rcu_assign_pointer will work in this case. What I was thinking is that maybe this pattern is generic enough to be of use to others. But maybe not. > The usual trick to avoid such memory > barriers it to dynamically allocate the array, but putting the count > into a struct that includes the array, so that readers are guaranteed > to get a value of ->dev_count that matches the ->devs[] array. > > Of course, you might have other reasons for the array to be statically > allocated. In that case, one trick is to statically allocate two > arrays, each with its own ->dev_count. Then a size-change update will > copy from the current array to the new array, set the value of the new > ->dev_count appropriately, and then use rcu_assign_pointer() to cause > new readers to see the updated array. In short, use the approach > described for resizeable arrays in Documentation/RCU/arrayRCU.txt > even though the physical array stays the same size. > > But again given that you only have six elements, why not just scan the > whole array unconditionally, using NULL pointers in the ->devs[] elements > to indicate that the corresponding element is invalid? Then the normal > rcu_assign_pointer() and rcu_dereference() will work normally. > > Thanx, Paul People are speaking about increasing the array size to 512. That's a nice 4K page but adding the number of entries gets us just above that which is kind of annoying. -- MST -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe kvm" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html