Hi Eric, On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 11:44 AM, Auger Eric <eric.auger@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 13/04/18 11:19, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Auger Eric <eric.auger@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On 11/04/18 11:24, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: >>>> If a device is part of a PM Domain (e.g. power and/or clock domain), its >>>> power state is managed using Runtime PM. Without Runtime PM, the device >>>> may not be powered up, causing subtle failures, crashes, or system >>>> lock-ups when the device is accessed by the guest. >>> the device may not be powered up/clcoked or power/clock may be switched >>> off while the guest uses it. >>>> >>>> Fix this by adding Runtime PM support, powering the device when the VFIO >>>> device is opened by the guest. >>>> >>>> Note that while more fine-grained power management could be implemented >>>> on the guest side, if exported, this would be inherently unsafe, as >>>> abusing it may kill the whole system. >>> >>> Please can you elaborate on this remark please? >> >> If power-management of the device would be delegated to the guest, and the >> guest forgets to enable device power before accessing the device's registers, >> this could lock up the system, and thus disturb both the host and other guests. > > Wouldn't you need to assign another device or use para-virt to allow the > guest to perform this power management control? I think you can remove > this paragraph from the commit message. Yes, that needs additional exporting of power-management (cfr. the "if exported"). I just wanted to mention the caveat, as eventually, someone is going to suggest doing this ;-) But if you think the comment should be removed, I can of course do so. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds