Hi Marc, On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:46 AM Marc Zyngier <maz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > If I understand correctly, the original motivation for going with > > pseudo-registers was to comply with QEMU, which uses KVM_GET_REG_LIST > > and KVM_[GET|SET]_ONE_REG interface, but I'm guessing the VMMs doing > > save/restore across migration might write the same values for every > > vCPU. > > KVM currently restricts the vcpu features to be unified across vcpus, > but that's only an implementation choice. But that implementation choice has become ABI, no? How could support for asymmetry be added without requiring userspace opt-in or breaking existing VMMs that depend on feature unification? > The ARM architecture doesn't > mandate that these registers are all the same, and it isn't impossible > that we'd allow for the feature set to become per-vcpu at some point > in time. So this argument doesn't really hold. Accessing per-VM state N times is bound to increase VM blackout time during migrations ~linearly as the number of vCPUs in a VM increases, since a VM scoped lock is necessary to serialize guest accesses. It could be tolerable at present scale, but seems like in the future it could become a real problem. > Furthermore, compatibility with QEMU's save/restore model is > essential, and AFAICT, there is no open source alternative. Agree fundamentally, but I believe it is entirely reasonable to require a userspace change to adopt a new KVM feature. Otherwise, we may be trying to shoehorn new features into existing UAPI that may not be a precise fit.. In order to cure the serialization mentioned above, two options are top of mind: accessing the VM state with the VM FD or informing userspace that a set of registers need only be written once for an entire VM. If we add support for asymmetry later down the road, that would become an opt-in such that userspace will do the access per-vCPU. > A device means yet another configuration and migration API. Don't you > think we have enough of those? The complexity of KVM/arm64 userspace > API is already insane, and extremely fragile. Adding to it will be a > validation nightmare (it already is, and I don't see anyone actively > helping with it). It seems equally fragile to introduce VM-wide serialization to vCPU UAPI that we know is in the live migration critical path for _any_ VMM. Without requiring userspace changes for all the new widgets under discussion we're effectively forcing VMMs to do something suboptimal. -- Thanks, Oliver _______________________________________________ kvmarm mailing list kvmarm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/kvmarm
