On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 01:11:09PM +0100, Andrew Jones wrote: > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:06:20AM +0100, Christoffer Dall wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 03:58:49PM -0500, Shih-Wei Li wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Andrew Jones <drjones@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Hi Shih-Wei, > > > > > > > > Thanks for doing this! Porting Christoffer's selftests to kvm-unit-tests > > > > has been on the kvm-unit-tests' TODO list since it was first introduced. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 04:15:38PM -0500, Shih-Wei Li wrote: > > > >> The patch provides support for quantifying the cost of micro level > > > >> operations on arm64 hardware. The supported operations include hypercall, > > > >> mmio accesses, EOI virtual interrupt, and IPI send. Measurements are > > > >> currently obtained using timer counters. Further modifications in KVM > > > >> will be required to support timestamping using cycle counters, as KVM > > > >> now disables accesses to the PMU counters from the VM. > > > > > > > > KVM only disables access when userspace tells it to, which it doesn't > > > > do by default. Is there something else missing keeping the PMU counters > > > > from being used? > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback! What I meant by PMU counters here was for > > > "CPU cycle counter" specifically. I'm not aware of a way to enable the > > > PMU cycle counter from QEMU, did I miss something here? > > > > > > > We always set MDSCR_EL2.TPM, meaning that you cannot reliably read a > > cycle counter in the guest. > > > > If userspace tells KVM to emulate a PMU, you will get an emulated result > > when reading the cycle counter from a guest, instead of an undefined > > exception, but you will never access the cycle counter directly. > > Ah, of course. Real vs. emulated access makes a big difference here. > > > > > Here we want to measure round-trip time from the VM through the > > hypervisor, and we don't currently count cycles in EL2 with the PMU > > emulation, and even if we did, we'd be counting additional round-trip > > times, so if the goal is to get more precision than the arch counters, > > this won't help you. > > > > What we did for the papers was to hack KVM to not set the TPM bit and > > jut read the cycle counter directly, but this isn't safe, as the guest > > then gets full access to the PMU and can mess with the host. > > > > If it's crucial to measure individual operations on a cycle-accurate > > level, then our options are pretty much to either patch KVM when doing > > so, or introduce a scary command line parameter, but I'm not thrilled > > by the idea. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> We iterate each of the tests for millions of times and output their > > > >> average, minimum and maximum cost in timer counts. Instruction barriers > > > > > > > > Can we reduce the number of iterations and still get valid results? The > > > > test takes so long that of all the platforms I tested it on timed out > > > > before it completed, except seattle. The default timeout for kvm-unit- > > > > tests is 90 seconds. I'd rather a unit test execute in much shorter time > > > > than that too, in order to keep people encouraged to run them frequently. > > > > If these tests must run a long time, then I think we should add them to > > > > the nodefault group. > > > > > > I think it's possible to reduce the timeout without losing accuracy. I > > > can look into this further. > > > > > > > I think just running them for 100,000 or maximum 1,000,000 times should > > be sufficient. Alternatively an option to run it for a long time could > > be provided? > > Providing a number of iterations option or something, that has a > reasonable default, sounds good to me. > > > > > > > > > > >> were used before and after taking timestamps to avoid out-of-order > > > >> execution or pipelining from skewing our measurements. > > > >> > > > >> To improve precision in the measurements, one should consider pinning > > > >> each VCPU to a specific physical CPU (PCPU) and ensure no other task > > > >> could run on that PCPU to skew the results. This can be achieved by > > > >> enabling QMP server in the QEMU command in unittest.cfg for micro test, > > > >> allowing a client program to get the thread_id for each VCPU thread > > > >> from the QMP server. Based on the information, the client program can > > > >> then pin the corresponding VCPUs to dedicated PCPUs and isolate > > > >> interrupts and tasks from those PCPUs. > > > > > > > > To isolate the CPUs one would need to boot the host with the isolcpus > > > > kernel command line option. Pinning the VCPUs is pretty easy though, > > > > so we could provide a script that does that in kvm-unit-tests and then > > > > always use it for this test. The script could also warn if we're > > > > pinning to CPUs that haven't been isolated. > > > > > > > > > > My intention was to support VCPU pinning as an optional feature, > > > so the users that care about extra precision can add qmp option in > > > QEMU config and run the script to pin VCPUs. Otherwise, the test can > > > be conducted in a fashion similar to what's done in vmexit on x86. > > > > > > > If we can script VCPU pinning, I think that's preferred. In our > > experiments we never actually saw measurable differences between > > isolcpus and simple vcpu pinning when using a high enough number of > > iterations, except when looking at things like jitter, which we don't do > > for these tests. > > > > That notwithstanding, I think it's an optional feature that can be added > > later. > > Yeah, let's do it later, but I think doing it makes enough sense that > it's worth writing more bash. > Agreed. > > > > > >> > > > >> The patch has been tested on arm64 hardware including AMD Seattle and > > > >> ThunderX2, which has GICv2 and GICv3 respectively. > > > > > > > > I tried thunderx2, amberwing, mustang, and seattle. Only seattle > > > > completed, the rest timed out. > > > > > > I have only tested the code by invoking test directly using make > > > standalone like the following. I did notice that it took ~90 seconds > > > to finish the test itself. > > > ./"tests/micro-cost" > > standalone still uses timeout with 90 seconds. So your hardware was just > faster than mine, I guess :-) > [indentation confusion?] You're responding to something Shih-Wei wrote here, but I didn't understand Shih-Wei's answer, and I think he ran the work on Seattle, so not sure what the difference was. Anyway, let's have it execute more fast by default as you suggest. -Christoffer _______________________________________________ kvmarm mailing list kvmarm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/kvmarm
