On 28.09.23 12:25, Baoquan He wrote:
On 09/27/23 at 09:13am, Stanislav Kinsburskii wrote:
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 01:44:38PM +0800, Baoquan He wrote:
Hi Stanislav,
On 09/25/23 at 02:27pm, Stanislav Kinsburskii wrote:
This patch introduces a memory allocator specifically tailored for
persistent memory within the kernel. The allocator maintains
kernel-specific states like DMA passthrough device states, IOMMU state, and
more across kexec.
Can you give more details about how this persistent memory pool will be
utilized in a actual scenario? I mean, what problem have you met so that
you have to introduce persistent memory pool to solve it?
The major reason we have at the moment, is that Linux root partition
running on top of the Microsoft hypervisor needs to deposit pages to
hypervisor in runtime, when hypervisor runs out of memory.
"Depositing" here means, that Linux passes a set of its PFNs to the
hypervisor via hypercall, and hypervisor then uses these pages for its
own needs.
Once deposited, these pages can't be accessed by Linux anymore and thus
must be preserved in "used" state across kexec, as hypervisor state is
unware of kexec. In the same time, these pages can we withdrawn when
usused. Thus, an allocator persistent across kexec looks reasonable for
this particular matter.
Thanks for these details.
The deposit and withdraw remind me the Balloon driver, David's virtio-mem,
DLPAR on ppc which can hot increasing or shrinking phisical memory on guest
OS. Can't microsoft hypervisor do the similar thing to reclaim or give
back the memory from or to the 'Linux root partition' running on top of
the hypervisor?
virtio-mem was designed with kexec support in mind. You only expose the
initial memory to the second kernel, and that memory can never have such
holes. That does not apply to memory ballooning implementations, like
Hyper-V dynamic memory.
In the virtio-mem paper I have the following:
"In our experiments, Hyper-V VMs crashed reliably when
trying to use kexec under Linux for fast OS reboots with
an inflated balloon. Other memory ballooning mechanisms
either have to temporarily deflate the whole balloon or al-
low access to inflated memory, which is undesired in cloud
environments."
I remember XEN does something elaborate, whereby they allow access to
all inflated memory during reboot, but limit the total number of pages
they will hand out. IIRC, you then have to work around things like
"Windows initializes all memory with 0s when booting, and cope with
that". So there are ways how hypervisors handled that in the past.
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Cheers,
David / dhildenb
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