On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 06:47:22 +0000 (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Peter Nikolic posted on Fri, 01 Aug 2014 23:05:58 +0100 as excerpted:
>
> > Iam running Arch Linux on my main PC fully updated including the
> > latest xorg server stuff , If i run startx i can use the terminal
> > windows start programes as root .
> >
> > If i run kdm to use kde i get the login screen /greeter but have no
> > mouse or keyboard .
> > I have so far tried every thing i can find to attempt to solve this
> > without sucess .
> >
> > Could use a little help and or suggestions as to where to look next
>
> FWIW, here I use startx to start kde directly from a text login, no
> *dm installed at all, nor have I used a *dm graphical login since
> before I switched to gentoo in 2004, so there's a definite limit to
> my knowledge in that area. In fact, I quit using *dm logins back on
> Mandrake in probably 2002 or so, precisely because the one I was
> using broke, while a text login and simply running startx from there
> "just worked". My impression then and now is thus that a *dm login
> requires that more software machinery be configured and in working
> order, and that it's consequently more delicate and prone to breakage
> than the relatively more robust simple text login and startx as a
> normal user, with an xsession set as appropriate (to kde in this
> context).
>
> Anyway, some questions/observations can be made:
>
> You tried kdm, and you tried startx as root, but there's no
> indication you tried startx as a normal user (which is the way I
> launch X, with kde set as the xsession, here). What happens if you
> do that?
>
> That kdm isn't giving you mouse/keyboard in X while logging in as
> root and running startx gives you working mouse/keyboard points at a
> permissions issue, possibly related to systemd's logind configuration
> -- nobody logged in so it's not setting permissions appropriately to
> allow X- based input activation, to /get/ that login. While what
> little *dm stuff I know is long outdated (long /long/ before
> systemd's logind, for instance, which certainly changed the rules in
> that area quite a bit), checking whether a text login as a normal
> user and startx from there gives you working input, would test
> another variant on the problem, giving people more information to
> troubleshoot with.
>
> You can also try a text login, and then switch back to kdm and see if
> it is suddenly working. If that works, it's definitely
> dynamic-permissions related based on login.
>
>
> Meanwhile, if you'd like startx to run kde instead of a generic
> session (as I do here on gentoo, but with a slightly different
> technique than suggested in the link below), since you're on arch,
> I'll refer you to the arch wiki:
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xinitrc
>
> With that you may find, as I did, that ultimately you don't need a
> *dm graphical login any longer. Simply do a normal text login, and
> if you want to startx, just run startx as you would a normal
> command. If not, don't. =:^)
>
> ... Tho even if you don't use kdm for graphical login, if you need a
> screen-locker you'll still need to keep it installed as it provides
> the greeter for kde's screenlocker, without which you won't get a
> login prompt after locking the screen, and you'll have to kill X
> (using magic- srq K or from a different VT) and run startx again if
> you activate the screenlocker. FWIW, I don't need that screenlocker
> functionality as I'm the only user on my home computer and I
> deliberately keep private info off my netbook, so I just disable the
> screenlocker and use startx to start kde, and don't need to have kdm
> installed at all.
>
Hi Duncan
Thanks for the reply i think it may be as you suggest a permissions
problem but it is proving to be hell to sort out every thing was fine
untill i accepted the update to the latest Xorg server then well
Ok well i am going to be out all day tomorrow fishing so will try to
solve it monday evening and get back to you then .
Thanks Pete ..
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