On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> dE . posted on Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:25:42 +0530 as excerpted:
>
> >> > The moment you open upgraded the KDE desktop you see bugs.
> >>
> >> Not here, on the contrary, KDE has become more stable and polished with
> >> every release.
> >>
> >> How about joining the testing team and help with testing before the
> >> release instead of just calling people names afterwards? If you want
> >> Free Software to get better you can contribute yourself, but please do
> >> it in a more constructive way.
> >>
> > I'm running on Gentoo, and I've to build the 9999 release for the
> > purpose, which almost never works, and then reverting back becomes very
> > difficult.
>
> (As another gentooer...) Not really. No need for the live-9999 unless
> you really want it, and that's not what Myriam was referring to.
>
> What Myriam was suggesting (I know because I saw the same testing-team
> invitation in the 4.10-pre-release announcements as well, with similar
> but a bit more detailed wording) was to run the kde pre-release betas and
> release-candidates and if desired, participate in the more organized pre-
> release testing program kde's doing now with them.
>
> While the stable bugfix updates appear on a monthly cycle (with feature
> release updates on a semi-annual cycle), the pre-releases appear on a
> condensed two-week cycle, with 4-5 pre-releases before the 4.y.0 feature
> release.
>
> Beta1 aka 4.x.80 (so the upcoming 4.11 pre-releases will start with beta1
> as 4.10.80) typically appears a week after hard-feature-freeze, with
> 4.11's hard-feature-freeze scheduled for June 5, 2013 and beta1 (aka
> 4.10.80 tagging and release a week later on Wednesday, June 12.
>
> 4.11 beta2 aka 4.10.90 is scheduled two weeks later, Wednesday, June 26.
>
> 4.11 rc1 aka 4.10.95 is due after the hard API/Message/Artwork/Bindings
> and Docs freeze (July 8), with tagging and release scheduled for
> Wednesday July 10, two weeks after beta2.
>
> 4.11 rc2 aka 4.10.97 is due two weeks later, on Wednesday July 24, with
> the final 4.11.0 feature release currently scheduled, assuming everything
> goes well up to then, for Wednesday Aug 7.
>
> However, it's worth noting that for 4.10 some blocker bugs were
> discovered during testing, and a third rc was added, delaying 4.10.0 a
> couple extra weeks to ensure a smoother general release.
>
> KDE's schedules and feature plans are released publicly (with the caveat
> that they're tentative and subject to change), BTW, with links to the
> schedules/plans for each feature release found on kde techbase, here:
>
> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules
>
> The testing-team invitation I mentioned above appeared with the
> announcement for 4.10-rc1 (I just checked the beta announcements and
> didn't see it there), which can be found here (see the testing and
> getting involved sections):
>
> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.10-rc1.php
>
> Quoting:
>
> KDE is running an extra detailed beta-testing program throughout the 4.10
> beta and RC releases. [...] Beta Testing Program is structured so that
> any KDE user can give back to KDE, regardless of their skill level. If
> you want to be part of this quality improvement program, please contact
> the Team on the IRC channel #kde-quality on freenode.net. The Team
> Leaders want to know ahead of time who is involved in order to coordinate
> all of the testing activities. They are also committed to having this
> project be fun and rewarding. After checking in, you can install the beta
> through your distribution package manager. The KDE Community wiki has
> instructions. This page will be updated as beta packages for other
> distributions become available. With the beta installed, you can proceed
> with testing. Please contact the Team on IRC #kde-quality if you need
> help getting started.
>
> There's a link to the mentioned wiki as well as distro-specific testing
> instructions. For gentoo, the gentoo/kde project overlay, the same place
> you'll find the 9999-live-build versions, carries the pre-releases.
>
> I started running the pre-releases with the 4.7 rcs and have run them all
> since, tho I choose not to run the live-versions. That's why I know so
> much about them. However, I don't do IRC and didn't do the special
> testing program; I've just run the betas, filing a couple bugs as I found
> them, but most of the ones I've found have been gentoo/kde project
> packaging bugs (generally minor dependency issues since I run a much
> leaner kde desktop than most, USE-flag and installed-package wise), not
> upstream kde bugs per se, so I've reported them to gentoo (tho there was
> one upstream bug I filed for the 4.7 rcs, I think, that was fixed, but I
> believe it was 4.7.1 before the fix was applied to the kde upstream
> sources).
>
> Along about rc1 time the branch also splits off, and gentoo maintains
> branch-live builds as 4.x.49.9999 as well. These should be MUCH more
> stable than the trunk-live builds, since they appear only after the
> feature and I /think/ after the API/bindings/string freeze. In fact,
> after the general 4.x.0 feature release, these should contain only the
> fixes that will ultimately appear in the stable updates, except those
> running live-branch will get them first (assuming they rebuild their kde
> live-branch packages more frequently than the monthly stable release
> cycle, anyway).
>
> While I'm not ready for trunk-live, I already run the pre-releases, and
> have seriously considered switching to branch-live. However, while I
> have git installed and most of kde has switched to git, I don't have svn
> installed, and a few packages (less every release) remain on svn. And I
> remember the svn deps as rather more complex than I really want to deal
> with, so I decided not to switch to kde-branch-live until the bits of kde
> I actually install, mainly core-desktop, with much of the artwork and
> many of the games, was all on git. Last I looked, mid-4.9 (before the
> 4.10 pre-releases hit IIRC) some of my installed kde packages were still
> svn based, so I didn't switch. But with 4.10 I think some switched, and
> I believe others are switching for 4.11, so I'll probably investigate
> again and I may well switch to the 4.11.49.9999 live-branch builds when
> they come out.
>
>
> What I'm really looking forward to in terms of a good challenge, however,
> is the kde5 frameworks betas, on qt5, but that's still a ways out AFAIK.
> And the kde/wayland betas, giving me some real skin in the wayland game
> instead of just reading about it here and there, but I believe that's out
> even further... But 2014/2015 could be interesting indeed!
Thanks for that info about the pre release ebuilds, but here, in the
KDE overlay I've --
4.10.49.9999
But I was expecting 4.11.
Regardless, I'll upgrade to it next time.
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