On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 00:25, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dotan Cohen posted on Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:47:29 +0200 as excerpted:
>
>> How does one remove entries from the Ksnapshot "Send to" feature? I only
>> ever send to Kolourpaint, and I must have over 20 entries in there. That
>> makes it difficult to find Kolourpaint, and the dialogue takes almost 4
>> seconds to open.
>>
>> This is KDE 4.7 on Kubuntu. Thanks.
>
> Based on the list I have here, with a similar number of entries and
> taking a similar time...
>
> There appear to be two classes of entries in ksnapshot's sendto menu:
>
> 1) Applications associated with images. (jpeg, png, etc, I didn't
> investigate that far, but this set is the same list that appears in the
> open with list for various images.)
>
> Here, this list is relatively short, and based on the open-with behavior,
> can't be what's delaying the menu, which is good, since this set is where
> kolourpaint appears.
>
> 2) All the kipi-plugins based entries. kipi-plugins is normally an
> optional package consisting of various image-targeted utilities, feature
> enhancements, and integrated site-posting options. When installed, it
> adds its set of options to several kde image-targeted apps, including
> digikam, gwenview, IIRC krita, and, it would appear, ksnapshot.
>
> This definitely adds a huge number of entries to the list, and is
> probably what's taking the time to load, since the plugin design is
> modular run-time linking to avoid build-time linking that would force a
> hard dependency for any apps built against it. The tradeoff for making
> it run-time optional, however, is that the whole list is scanned and
> added at load-time.
>
> Here, gwenview is about the only app I use kipi-plugins in. I don't have
> digikam installed, only exceedingly rarely use ksnapshot, and while I
> needed an image utility with alpha-channel handling and thus had krita
> installed for awhile, I finally gave up on it as EXTREMELY unintuitive
> and lacking the necessary documentation to work around that, in favor of
> the gimp, which is both MUCH more intuitive (you read complaints about
> it, but krita was MUCH worse for me, for sure) AND actually has quite a
> bit of reasonably good documentation, as well.
>
> Even in gwenview, tho, I generally only use one kipi-plugin, the OpenGL
> image viewer plugin. All those export/upload to some-site options are
> generally useless without an account on said site, and said account is
> more or less useless unless you have a digital camera of some sort and/or
> are an image-artist, generating your own content. I don't even have a
> cellphone, the most common digital camera these days, and am not an image-
> artist, so...
>
> In gwenview, tho, while the initial kipi-plugin load takes some time when
> it's first triggered by opening the plugins menu, gwenview apparently
> caches the results, and subsequent usage of that menu is as real-time as
> one normally expects of a menu.
>
> Unfortunately, it appears ksnapshot doesn't implement this sort of
> caching, as a second click of the sendto menu results in the same sort of
> wait as the first one did! OUCH!
>
> Anyway, take a look at the gwenview plugins menu, and any other places
> you might use kipi-plugins in kde-based image apps, and see if you
> actually use any of them. Since the kipi-plugins package is normally
> optional (I've no idea what kubuntu does with it, tho) and because the
> set is all "extra" functionality, you will very possibly find that you
> don't use any of it, and can safely uninstall the entire package.
>
> Meanwhile, here on Gentoo there's what's called install-mask. If I
> really decided I didn't want the various individual plugins installed, I
> could easily mask them, leaving only the one I actually use, the opengl
> image viewer, to install. However, that wouldn't lessen the build-time
> as the whole package would still be built, just parts of it wouldn't be
> actually installed, due to the mask. If I wanted to avoid the build as
> well, I could probably customize the ebuild to build just the plugins I
> wanted, and the ebuild already makes some of them (generally the stuff
> with other external dependencies) optional and I have many of those
> already turned off, but customizing the ebuild sounds like more work than
> simply letting the system over-build and just masking what's installed.
>
> Hope it helps. I expect that if you do uninstall kipiplugins, you'll not
> only lighten that menu quite a bit, but make it much faster as well,
> since kde's normal sycoca (system config cache) infrastructure caches
> file associations, etc, so populating the menu from that only should be
> MUCH faster.
>
> Alternatively, simply don't use the sendto menu. Instead, use either
> copy, open kolourpaint and paste, or use save-as, and then either open
> (if kolourpaint is your top app priority for that imagetype) or open-with
> on the saved file and select kolourpaint. I think I've used both of
> those options, but don't believe I've ever used the sendto menu (or if I
> did it was before kipi-plugin integration), as I was both quite surprised
> to see that whole kipi-plugins list myself, and nearly fooled into
> thinking the thing wasn't responding, since that menu took so long to
> load, and unlike the gwenview plugins menu, it didn't popup a temporary
> "loading..." placeholder.
>
Thanks, Duncan. I am starting to suspect that you are the official KDE
mailing list man. There is not an issue that I run into that you
haven't run into first!
In my case I do use Digikam and Gwenview, heavily at that. I'll file
an RFE to cache or configure the menu in question.
Thank you!
--
Dotan Cohen
http://gibberish.co.il
http://what-is-what.com
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