I finally figured out what to replace akregator with, and was thus finally able to unmerge (gentoo) the last of kdepim and set USE=-semantic- desktop -raptor -redland and -virtuoso. After a rebuild of the affected packages, that allowed me to remove in addition to kmail, which I had switched away from earlier, and a couple support packages for it... akregator kdepim-common-libs kdepim-runtime kdepim-icons akonadi-server nepomuk redland rasqual raptor (two versions, 1.x and 2.x) virtuoso-server virtuoso-odbc libiodbc akonadi-console shared-desktop-ontologies I had a rather harder time finding a decent feed reader than I did a mail client. For mail, I reasonably quickly found claws-mail. It has a feed- reader plugin as well, but I didn't want to have the two running in the same claws instance (I like separate apps for the separate tasks and wanted somewhat different configs, as well) and claws-mail doesn't like to run two separate instances. But everything else either had huge dependencies (bringing in much of gnome, for instance, or an entire java support structure), or was text-based, and while I almost settled for that in the form of canto (ncurses and python based), I didn't really want to, and ended up finding a work-around. I tried gwene.org too, feeds as news-posts (nntp), but that wasn't working either, as I don't want an http/xml-message-parsing news client for security and other reasons (I'm using pan now in part for that reason), and both atom and rss feeds are xml-based, and come thru that way on gwene.org. I considered firefox feed extensions too -- I read that there's some reasonably good ones in my research -- but wasn't too enthused about that either, because what I really wanted was a separate feed-reader-client. I tried sylpheed too, from which claws-mail forked, but I didn't like it as well. So then I decided to try harder to get a second instance of claws-mail running, separate config, etc, as I rather liked its interface in general, and hadn't found the feed plugin experience bad either, except that I didn't want feeds and email combined. I looked for a way to run separate instances in the documents. Nothing. Checked the command-line options, it had an option for an alternative config, but that wouldn't let a second instance run at the same time. I tried a symlink with a different name, and while that gave me a different window-class according to kwin, it still wouldn't let me run a second instance -- trying would simply pull up the existing running instance. A differently named hardlink didn't work either. Then it hit me! I was already using a wrapper script to set a different $HOME, so it'd use a different config, but $TMPDIR was still set to the old value. Sure enough, the process put a socket-file in $TMPDIR. Setting that to something else in the wrapper, along with setting $HOME to get the alternative config dir, *WORKED*! So then I began setting up the alternate config in earnest. I did have to symlink ~/.mozilla into the new $HOME as well, so when I clicked a link to launch firefox, it'd load my normal profile, but by this time I was thinking in the right terms and spotted and fixed that issue quickly. Finally, after exporting my feeds from akregator and importing them in the claws-feed instance, figuring out expiration (which I hadn't needed for mail so didn't know how to handle in claws-mail, yet), and getting everything setup and working to my satisfaction, it was time to emerge --depclean, kill USE flags, revdep-rebuild as necessary, depclean some more, kill a few more USE flags... until I finally had all that heavy semantic-desktop bloat off my system! What a relief! =:^) I've been working on this (including the kmail replacement and unmerge the preceeded the akregator stuff) for about a week now, perhaps 10 days, and it's finally done and my system free of all that stuff slowing it down to no benefit to me! =:^) I expect I'll like kde4 even more now, without all that dead weight slowing things down and causing problems! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.