Seems kde4 is now stable enough I can start trying the pre-releases. I decided to start cautiously with 4.7, and only installed the last rc before full release later this month. I finished building and installing a few hours ago and have been playing with it (and testing some other stuff too) since then. Looks good so far! =:^) I don't see a whole lot different, but that's far better than being greeted by show-stopper bugs at this stage, for sure! One difference I've noticed so far is that the desktop effects kcontrol module has been reworked... IMO for the better. On the general tab, in the activation section at the top, instead of having a direct suspend button, it has a checkbox for enabling desktop effects at startup, and the keyboard shortcut setting for toggling the effect. This is far better for a couple reasons. First, it's far easier to have effects off until turned on, now, for those who find effects either very slow or worse yet, rather unstable on their systems. Presumably off until turned on will be the default for newly setup kde users now, so people can leave effects off by default until they /know/ they're stable. Second, by having the button here be the keyboard shortcut to toggle effects, instead of a an effect toggle button itself, users will discover and be encouraged to start using the keyboard shortcut far faster, and will be far more likely to use it to toggle effects when that's all they want to do, instead of bothering to open the whole kcontrol effects module, as I guess many were doing, because they hadn't discovered the effects toggle keyboard shortcut, yet. The advanced tab has been reworked a bit as well, removing the XRender options entirely, tho it's still a compositing type option. The remaining options are split into general (keep window thumbnails and scale method options) and Opengl (direct rendering, OpenGL 2 shaders, and VSync). I'm trying to remember; I think the shaders option /might/ be new for kde 4.7. The all effects tab has the same basic list, but again I'm trying to remember; I think they added the descriptions under each feature at some point, but I don't remember whether that was in 4.6 or is new for 4.7. I believe they rearranged the kcontrol module layout a bit more, keeping the same main categories, but moving some stuff around within them a bit, so now I have five entries under common appearance and behavior, account details, instead of the three I think were there before. Web shortcuts I believe are new there, and either kde wallet or social desktop, the other one was there before I think but I don't remember which it was. There's I believe a new control module, SSL preferences, under network and connectivity. That has been some time in coming and was something I myself had criticized KDE for, because as it was, there was no GUI method to enable/disable/add/remove SSL certificates, if for instance some were found to be compromised and needed revoked, as has been the case with a number of certificates recently. I could not understand how kde folks could even BEGIN to call kde ready for ordinary use, when that meant people doing Internet banking and shopping with konqueror, yet there was no way to revoke certificates, etc. That's fine for a beta, but it wasn't acceptable for ordinary use. So it's great to see it not only supported now, but in such a highly visible place, right in kcontrol. =:^) Plasma has some changes too. There's a couple (sort of) new activity templates, and some default activities are added to the activity list, now. The two sort-of new activity templates are photo activity, which is a normal desktop activity but with photoframe and folderview plasmoids (plus see below), and a desktop icons activity, which is a folderview desktop. When an activity is started, a dialog pops up with what can be a list of apps that are associated with that activity. The photo activity, for instance, defaults to gwenview and digikam. There's two buttons at the bottom of the dialog, run selected apps, run none, and checkboxes for selecting individual apps from the list. I haven't yet figured out how to setup the apps that show up in the template, but maybe it's part of selecting which activity an app belongs to, on the window menu along with the desktops entry if there's more than one activity configured. (The activities window menu entry was there in 4.6, but didn't yet do a lot. To date I've had just a single activity configured, but I intend to play around a bit with it now that the functionality is getting a bit richer.) The plasma default wallpaper remains the same as 4.6, Horos, tho I've not run the pre-releases before; it's possible they're saving the new one for a last second surprise update. That's what I've noticed so far... Oh, they changed the scrollbar thumb default color, too. Before, it was often too close to the same color as the scrollbar background and could be hard to see, depending on how good a monitor you had and what its gamma settings were. Now, it's apparently based of an entirely different setting. I haven't figured out for sure what it's based on now, but it's definitely different, as it was blue here before, as is most of my trim and backgrounds, and is brown, now, as is the view text (light) and alternate background (dark). The scrollbar thumb is dark brown, here, like most of my role alternate backgrounds, so it's probably one of those, now. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.