Just commenting on Duncan's post ;-) Yes I was referring to the indexing feature in KDE4. EXT4 as I understand it is an indexed file system and if it's made it into the kernel it is likely to be very efficient. Why compete? In some areas there are good reasons why kde should compete. On the semantic desktop aspect I would hope that KDE is retaining it's flavour but must admit that it is looking windowish in places. Having been involved with PC's since the time IBM bought them out it's clear that they have slowly become more and more low brow. Can't think of any other way to put that. There is a need for this but there are lots and lots of people that use pc's for other than letter writing, downloading videos and music and etc. Some even connect a camera to them. Some even process the photo's on them. People use them for all sorts of things. The low browing aspects are unimportant providing the what might be called the real facilities are still there. How these are presented doesn't matter really. In my case I need a method of accessing many large sets of data. I do not see anything in 4 of much use to me other than the usual folders. Any data on a pc is tagged some how or the other however it's displayed. eg A file belongs to a particular folder. ;-) I often have 100's of things on my desktop. Why not. It would largely be a waste of space if I didn't. Many pc users finish up with set ups like that because they provide the fastest mouse access. I am already irritated by the fact that FFox's download directory is off my home directory rather than the desktop. Before long I will feel the same about photo's and in all probability documents as well. If these desktop features achieve the same thing via links or what ever that's fine by me. I always give change a chance rather than fighting it. Only problem as I see it is that my interests are many and varied. There will be lots of items on my desktop or what ever other facility I use. One click is all that I find acceptable as do many others. Windows seems to be trying to force people in another direction but many resist. Nothing to do with KDE but gmail to me isn't too good at all. Yahoo's is much better. I'm only using it because I want to organise some aspects of my mail differently. Mails are already tied to a folder in Kmail. If some nut wants several hundred emails in flat tagged view it's really only a matter of how they and the folders are displayed. My view is that gmail is popular because it's google. My impression so far is that I am likely to switch this to yahoo. Gmail doesn't even render text well. I do hope that something is done about imports to kmail quickly and that I can get it some how. Out of interest I made noised about the mails in particular on 3.? and mail import appeared shortly afterwards for some. I was amazed that the address book wasn't done at the same time. Not for me though. At that time it was possible to simply drag the files into mail directories. On KDE4.6 so far - I haven't had many problems. I have had to double click at times for some unknown reason. There is also something else kicking about that can cause rather long delays at times. My suspicion is that the kernel is spinning down my drives. The desktop effects were a little to much perhaps for my nvidia 7600 card but not much of one from an apparent use point of view. I've fitted a nvidia 210 silent. Glxgears now runs at 200fps full screen 1680x1050. It was jerky on the 7600. I'm going to miss konqueror as a file manager. I like it's ability to use it to brows all. Photo’s too but notice that it's retained most of it's other facilities. I really am glad to see that. Complaints. Good that it does something with cntrl alt del but it should really default to a complete restart. The display may be completely unusable. I had to hit the reset button. So far I haven't found a way of running kedit as su. I have stuck yast in the main launch menu but can't find a way of putting it's icon next to it. I tried to open an rpm with YAST to no avail. I did this to see if I could force an rpm to use a more recent lib file. Most likely a suse problem. Auto update wanted to update. Ok but there was also a suse update. When I checked with YAST there were no updates available. Why the difference? I decided not to use the update. -- John KDE 4.6.0 Release 6 OpenSuSe 11.4 Linux 2.6.37.1-1.20desktop ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.