Interesting comments on this thread. I have recently moved to suse 11.4 which runs KDE 4.6.0. Only a few problems in KDE really. Slow response at times. I've put that down to the file indexing feature and disabled it. Seems to have worked. Machine is also running ext4 which I haven't delved into but from brief info - why is this in kde? Probably because some one some where thought wow I would love to do that. Understandable really, The dog thing in 3.x was much worst. Worst problems are migrating data from my past set up on late 3.x. Mail import and bookmark import into konq do not work and have obviously only been trivially tested. I use folders of my inbox which may be the problem. Folders else where too. Address book - seems it may be possible but no obvious way to do it. Apart from Konq I have filed bug reports that seem to be holding critical. While I understand the comments on why this sort of thing happens I think that people are missing a rather important aspect. Dev's are in all probability proud of there work and do want people to use it. Trouble is, as an example, unless data migration is flawless KDE has no credibility as a desktop for general use at all. Niggley bugs are another matter entirely. I've worked on none pc software for rather a long time. People who work on software have to learn that the users needs must come 1st despite the need for change. On KDE4 itself one of the most interesting aspects to me is it's total functionality including the packages. What I see now is mostly eye candy some of which is useful. One of the aspects I find hard to understand is the time it's taken to reach this state. I suspect this is down to another aspect of software that has to be learnt by many. It doesn't come easily. In real terms software always has to be maintained and evolved. How much work this actually entails is largely down to the software architecture that is used in the 1st place. Take what I'm doing now as a for instance. Typing. Something low down is gathering the characters, something is spell checking them and marking them for underline if a certain flag is set. (Yes spell check is running all of the time.) Something is picking the font, Something else is formatting it and finally something is dumping it all on the screen. A bad architecture full of holes but it illustrates that much of the code is re usable here and elsewhere and that some of it is unlikely to ever change. More importantly changes higher up the tree have no effect on what's below. OOD should help in this respect but given some of the garbage kicking round on that subject it can be very difficult to apply effectively or at all in some case and a poor choice of the "object" can have a terrible effect on the architecture. No doubt code documentation is also a problem really usable stuff nearly always is. What is important and usually much easier to do is interface specifications. What's expected to go in and come out. The bit in the middle really once sorted is a black box. ;-) Or a black hole if you are unlucky. I've lost 3 mails to this address recently. Who knows where they have gone. I don't. PS If I have to mess about in the shell as I am now far to frequently and with X I'm wondering about arch too. -- John KDE 4.6.0 Release 6 OpenSuSe 11.4 Linux 2.6.37.1-1.20desktop ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.