but I can never remember what settings gizmo to open to permit me to turn it off. Right clicking the panel I see nothing. Right clicking application launcher shows nothing apparent. Nothing in systemsettings looks applicable. Where is it? This was nothing but simple to get rid of in KDE3. :-( -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.