Thierry de Coulon posted on Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:47:51 +0100 as excerpted: > Being optimistic and KDE lover I want to believe too :) What a lot of people here seem to forget is that it's real easy to simply drop an app -- or even an entire desktop environment or software collection -- and walk away, finding others to use. Any poster who has actually taken the time to dig up these lists, probably subscribe, possibly read some past posts in the archives to get a feel for things before they post (yes, I realize that's old-school these days, but some of us still do it), then formulate a post, has already demonstrated that they care FAR more about KDE, simply by posting in the first place, than the ordinary joe blow, who simply doesn't give a <care>, and is already long gone onto the next "software collection" without the list ever reading a peep about it. It's exactly that kind of user that has already demonstrated by their actions that they actually /care/ about kde, /regardless/ of the words of the post (and let's face it, people posting here for the first time are often very very frustrated, having wrestled with the issue on their own for some time, likely googling and/or posting to other lists/forums with no results, before coming here, so a bit less than their best behavior is unfortunately probably to be expected), that we shouldn't be attacking and trying to drive away, instead of actually trying to help. That was certainly the case here. I spent countless hours, WAYYY more than I'd have been able to do if I was actually trying to use my desktop for real work, chasing down and trying to fix issues with kde4 on my own, often googling, reading back to before kde4.0 on the list (skimming that far back, reading in more detail as I worked my way forward), then I come here, obviously rather frustrated by then, and get attacked as if I didn't even /care/ about KDE, after spending /all/ those hours looking for solutions. Let's face facts. If I didn't care, I'd not be here, I'd be on to something else. Similarly, if I DID care, but was actually using my desktop for real work, I'd be onto something else, because all told, I spent WELL in excess of 100 hours searching, customizing, scripting my own workarounds for broken stuff, etc, all the while being attacked for not caring or simply wanting to be negative, by certain posters here. That's (conservatively) over 2.5 weeks of full-time work equivalence. Even at minimum wage, how much would that be? Certainly enough to buy even MSWormOS Ultimate, with enough money left over for at least a basic set of proprietary apps, if I were into that sort of thing. I could have even done that with the hardware thrown in as well, if I shopped around, and/or settled for something a bit less than Ultimate. THAT'S the value I place on KDE! THAT'S why I'm still here, despite the time invested, despite the attacks, despite posters saying I'm spouting FUD and (IIRC) that I was flat-out lying! I must either REALLY believe and be REALLY dedicated, or a fool, tho it should be noted that those aren't exclusive possibilities. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.