I apologize as I usually lurk in a list for a bit before speaking up but I'm in rather dire straits. I'm a long time KDE user, been using it probably since there was a KDE. I know at least since RH 6 or 7 I think I've been using KDE that far back. I've been a fanatical KDE user and advocate. KDE I feel has innovated and created the best UI yet designed, at least until 4. Now I have a machine that is realistically crippled. It's like being forced to use Gnome or Windoze or something horrible like that. I'm also very slow to upgrade unless there is a compelling feature to entice me to upgrade. Well the end of lifed all the distros I'm using so I had to upgrade. Going into the specifics would probably be repeating lots of other complaints. I heard a good bit of griping about KDE 4 and figured bah there was griping about 3 and I don't see what the fuss was about with 3.x's changes. Most of them were improvements in my opinion. I don't even recognize KDE 4.x. EVERY useful feature and thing I liked about KDE seems to have been removed. Everything I hate about windoze and Gnome seems to have been introduced. I cannot be the only KDE fan who turned green and puked imediately upon using KDE 4. So I'm hoping there is a page somewhere with workarounds for all the things broken in this version of KDE. Ways people have found to get around things like not being able to add an app, or configure the desktops to show ONLY the apps on that destop. What's the point of having multiple desktops if you clutter the task bar up. I sometimes have as many as 200 apps open at the same time. Scattered across several desktops of course. . Or how do you remove that lame home box that automatically pops up. I use Krusader and very rarely use Konquerer for file management. The list goes on and on and I honestly truly hope there is a change by change with work around for all the things broken in KDE 4. Thanks Drac ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.