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yu loser > To: kde@xxxxxxxxxxxx > From: 1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:39:30 +0000 > Subject: Re: kde4 browser roadmap > > Aljosa Mohorovic posted on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:30:10 +0200 as excerpted: > > > kde4 is now approaching stability of kde3 so i guess it's the right time > > to ask about kde4 browser roadmap. i'm sure that not everybody will > > agree but konqueror is not a modern browser although it has excellent > > integration with kde. > > > > i personally believe that browsers are today as important as koffice, > > pim or any other part of kde. > > from my point of view there are 2 options: 1. push konqueror development > > to catch up with firefox, chrome and safari 2. chose firefox or chrome > > and work only on integration with kde > > > > when i say catch up with other browsers i mean: - active development to > > support html5 - extensions - browser release cycle independent, similar > > to firefox > > > > what do you think? > > Umm... you know that the webkit that both chrome and safari use as their > rendering engine, as well as now qt4 itself, is a fork from kde's own > khtml, right? > > Actually, particularly now that qt4 is including webkit as well, there > has been serious debate about switching to qt4's native webkit based html > rendering. Plasma is actually using qt4's webkit engine already, and > konqueror will probably follow at some point, but it's not going to be > right away. I'd guess kde 4.6 to 4.8, so 16 to 30 months out, and almost > certainly requiring at least qt 4.5 if not 4.6 or 4.7 by then. > > Beyond that, really, the only way to even have a hope of catching firefox > in terms of extension support, etc, would be if all the webkit based > browser folks, safari, chrome, qt, konqueror, band together and agree on > a common extension format. That's really the only way to get a user base > anywhere close to large enough to develop the active extension community > firefox already has. Well, unless they decided to get compatible with > firefox's chrome (the XML based UI language not the browser) based UI. > > As is likely evident by now, I've done some thinking on this myself, in > addition to following planetkde, etc. I like konqueror's integration, > but am slowly coming to find the functionality of firefox's extensions > irreplaceable, thus, find myself gradually switching more and more to > firefox over time. In my case, it's the noscript and viewscript > extensions, which make keeping scripting off by default **MUCH** easier > than konqueror makes it, since about the only way to find the scripts and > where they are coming from on konqueror is to view-source the page. With > noscript and viewscript, it's simply a matter of a couple clicks to see > where the scripts are coming from, and then activating the ones one > wishes, without having to resort to globally allowing _javascript_ in > ordered to un-break the page. I also use DownloadHelper for Youtube, > since I don't have a flash plugin installed, and that lets me download > the videos for watching using smplayer (for kde4) or kaffeine (for > kde3). However, others will have their own favorite extensions they find > they can't live without, and it's simply not even remotely realistic to > expect the devs to come up with all that variety of features on their > own, without a wide variety of users contributing as well, and that > requires a user base of critical mass before it even begins to take off. > KDE by itself simply isn't there yet, and won't be for the foreseeable > future, thus my conclusion that the only way to accomplish it would be to > either get compatible with firefox's extensions thereby eliminating the > problem, or agree with all the other webkit users on a common webkit > extension format supported by all of them. > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman > > ___________________________________________________ > This message is from the kde mailing list. > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. Windows Live Spaces je ovdje! Stvaranje osobnih web-stranica je stvarno jednostavno. Provjerite! |
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