I have a few machines which can't run KDE 4 due to the way it interacts with the graphics drivers. Even without composite enable it just crawls on older Nvidia and ATI cards. The nvidia graphics cards can't be changed driver wise, obviously, where as the ATI ones i guess will improve with time. I don't really know what can be done with this situation. Is it possible to for Qt /KDE to fall back to the 'old' method for rendering 2d if say compositing is turned off , or if its started with a certain ENV var ? I don't know how many people this affects however I have 3 in the office and 4 at home which are in this situation. I have 3 machines out of 10 which are capable of running KDE4 'correctly'. Some of these machines i can't even get new video cards for, at least not ones that will run KDE4 at a reasonable speed. Andrew ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.