Hi, after having watched and commented on that IMHO unfortunate decision to distribute a developer state version as a dot zero I tracked the dev of KDE 4 during the past months. Now, after having updated to 4.1.2 (opensuse 11.0) I gave a first try to KDE4 to prove itself. - Kickers system area didn't make the move, so I tried to activate that mini applet manually. After having started the other mini apps icons moved, but where should be the system area there was only emptiness. - Right mouse click on that area popped up the well-known menu, but that menu was cut into two halfs by the lower edge of the screen with the lower part of the menu appearing at the upper edge of the screen. - I tried to define a global shortcut (shortcut config of KDE3 didn't move, too), but that app crashed after having entered the first key combination. Shutdown to alpha-state KDE4.... I would recommend to number the next version as 3.9.9.4.1.3. Sorry, guys, if I or any of my workmates would be that venturous and distribute such a crap tagged with "ready-for-production" labels (that's what 4.1.2 means to me)... give your fancy full scope. Dear persons in charge @ KDE: you are turning version numbering over to meaninglessness. The release policy of KDE4 is an absolute scream. This email is for your pillow. Don't discuss, I've had enough, it doesn't pay. Regards Frank ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.