I have taken a screenshot of a regular gnome desktop, just to show how much more beautiful it can become if you just implement a few things.. definantly for kde4, but preferably for 3.5.x too. http://huldreveien.generation.no/~wakko/gnome2.jpg Here you see the rubberband selector, that is transparent (without performance penalties at all, completely smooth, while the implementation I have seen on kde-look.org for kde is slow like hxll! Also the selected icons get a nice rounded and anti-aliased selection, with a little space. You also see the selected, but inactive "Filesystem" Icon. The window decorations is also rounded. Also the icons of the movies are previews, which are beautifully done with a movie-film-like effect blended in. I'd LOVE to see stuff like this in kde. Font sizes and color inversion depending on hue is also nice! I'd like some comments, a little hestitant to post it on bugs.kde.org, since I allways get voted down there! :/ A beautiful first-impression is very important. If I knew nothing about the two, I'd like gnome 2.12's default look better than the kde's atm. This has changed due to gnome doing eyecandy improvements over the past releases! ___________________________________________________ . Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.