Hi there, I'm new to this list so please tell me if I should be posting to the nonlinux area or something. I'm pretty sure this is just a general kde question though... I recently installed xfree86 and kdebase3 onto my mac ibook via fink. everything is working ok, and I can start kde from the command line with the command # startkde However I am not keen on having the entire kde desktop initialised as I only want access to certain components (kwin,kicker + select apps). I have altered my xinitrc file to include the following lines: /sw/bin/kicker & /sw/bin/kwin which is working quite well, but seems a bit buggy and I'm wondering if there's a better way to go... The problems with the above are: - Kicker will segfault if it is not 'daemonized' (ie, X & kwin & kicker fails) - Kicker seems to spawn 2 processes, then after a few seconds 1 dies off and the panel appears - When I add application shortcuts to the menu using the menu editor they do not appear. This problem also occurs when running 'startkde'. - I cannot terminate X (or kwin or kicker) by clicking on the 'log out' button in the menu. I'm not really asking for help on debugging the segfaults or anything like that, really all I want is a standard kde session (like the one you get frrom startkde) without a desktop background. the config above is my best effort to create such a session, is there a better approach? any advice you could give me would be greatly appreciated. fraz ___________________________________________________ . Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.