On Sunday, 3 July 2005 23.58, Janne Ojaniemi wrote: > > You didn't see the point I made? Many people voted against the idea. But > when they actually tried it themself, they actually liked it, for the > reasons I mentioned. So even though they voted against the idea in the > beginning, they actually preferred the Mac OS-style menubar after they had > tested it properly. I would say that most people opposed the idea simply > because it's different to the way it's done today. And the fact is that the > per-app menubars waste space, clutter the UI and are awkward to use. I understand the point but I can't accept it. Either they vote for or against. If they change their mind, one has to have a new poll, and those who changed their mind should be clearly in the "liked it" numbers. > Hell, I remember testing the Mac OS-menubar a while ago. And after 5 > minutes of use, I hated it. But I have experimented with OS X recently, and > that system forces me to use the menubar. And after a while, I really > started to appreciate it. then I tried it on KDE as well, and even though > it has some bugs on KDE, I use it all the time today. You really need to > try it out properly, before deciding that it sucks. You are correct that I never tried it a lot on KDE. I have to work with Mac OS X professionally and the more I use it, the less I like it. It is a lot like Windows: it means to tell you the way you have to behave. What I love in KDE is that you set it up your way. I use the "laptop" windows controls, with a "classical" icon set were I modified some icons by using elements taken from other sets, I have total control on kicker, the contextual menus are complete and sensible, and I always have virtual desktops to clean up my desktop. Mac OS X does not have them and uses a (I feel) stupid animated way of showing all windows. BUT I respect the fact that others see it another way, and as long as I don't have to spend a week setting thinks back to "my" normality, I don't care much what is set as default. Thierry -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa ___________________________________________________ . Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.