Hello all again, This is a continuation of my last message, accidental send. What triggered this I don't know speciffically but, I ran "update-menus" (this is Debian, I have not check to see if other distros have this) and then could not login to KDE. It would hang when initializing Kicker. I tried lots of things, nothing worked. I ended up deleting my entire .kde folder, now I can login but kcontrol is useless. I have no idea where to begin, I have check config files and reset all that I can think of. Suggestions? Dan ___________________________________________________ . Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.