On Sat, May 04, 2024 at 12:39:00AM +0100, Al Viro wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2024 at 04:16:15PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Fri, 3 May 2024 at 15:07, Al Viro <viro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > Suppose your program calls select() on a pipe and dmabuf, sees data to be read > > > from pipe, reads it, closes both pipe and dmabuf and exits. > > > > > > Would you expect that dmabuf file would stick around for hell knows how long > > > after that? I would certainly be very surprised by running into that... > > > > Why? > > > > That's the _point_ of refcounts. They make the thing they refcount > > stay around until it's no longer referenced. > > > > Now, I agree that dmabuf's are a bit odd in how they use a 'struct > > file' *as* their refcount, but hey, it's a specialty use. Unusual > > perhaps, but not exactly wrong. > > > > I suspect that if you saw a dmabuf just have its own 'refcount_t' and > > stay around until it was done, you wouldn't bat an eye at it, and it's > > really just the "it uses a struct file for counting" that you are > > reacting to. > > *IF* those files are on purely internal filesystem, that's probably > OK; do that with something on something mountable (char device, > sysfs file, etc.) and you have a problem with filesystem staying > busy. In this instance it is ok because dma-buf is an internal fs. I had the exact same reaction you had initially but it doesn't matter for dma-buf afaict as that thing can never be unmounted.