On 4/16/22 2:39 AM, Pavel Begunkov wrote: > On 4/15/22 23:53, Jens Axboe wrote: >> On 4/15/22 4:41 PM, Pavel Begunkov wrote: >>> On 4/15/22 23:03, Jens Axboe wrote: >>>> On 4/15/22 3:05 PM, Pavel Begunkov wrote: >>>>> On 4/12/22 17:46, Jens Axboe wrote: >>>>>> On 4/12/22 10:41 AM, Jens Axboe wrote: >>>>>>> On 4/12/22 10:24 AM, Pavel Begunkov wrote: >>>>>>>> If all completed requests in io_do_iopoll() were marked with >>>>>>>> REQ_F_CQE_SKIP, we'll not only skip CQE posting but also >>>>>>>> io_free_batch_list() leaking memory and resources. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Move @nr_events increment before REQ_F_CQE_SKIP check. We'll potentially >>>>>>>> return the value greater than the real one, but iopolling will deal with >>>>>>>> it and the userspace will re-iopoll if needed. In anyway, I don't think >>>>>>>> there are many use cases for REQ_F_CQE_SKIP + IOPOLL. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ah good catch - yes probably not much practical concern, as the lack of >>>>>>> ordering for file IO means that CQE_SKIP isn't really useful for that >>>>>>> scenario. >>>>>> >>>>>> One potential snag is with the change we're now doing >>>>>> io_cqring_ev_posted_iopoll() even if didn't post an event. Again >>>>>> probably not a practical concern, but it is theoretically a violation >>>>>> if an eventfd is used. >>>>> Looks this didn't get applied. Are you concerned about eventfd? >>>> >>>> Yep, was hoping to get a reply back, so just deferred it for now. >>>> >>>>> Is there any good reason why the userspace can't tolerate spurious >>>>> eventfd events? Because I don't think we should care this case >>>> >>>> I always forget the details on that, but we've had cases like this in >>>> the past where some applications assume that if they got N eventfd >>>> events, then are are also N events in the ring. Which granted is a bit >>>> odd, but it does also make some sense. Why would you have more eventfd >>>> events posted than events? >>> >>> For the same reason why it can get less eventfd events than there are >>> CQEs, as for me it's only a communication channel but not a >>> replacement for completion events. >> >> That part is inherently racy in that we might get some CQEs while we >> respond to the initial eventfd notifications. But I'm totally agreeing >> with you, and it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. >> >>> Ok, we don't want to break old applications, but it's a new most >>> probably not widely used feature, and we can say that the userspace >>> has to handle spurious eventfd. >> >> If I were to guess, I'd say it's probably epoll + eventfd conversions. >> But it should just be made explicit. Since events reaped and checked > > Didn't get it, what should be made explicit? Do you mean documenting > that there might be spurious eventfd events or something else? Right, we basically have both cases: - A batch of completions are done, silly to do more than one eventfd notification for that. - Spurious notifications, like this example with polling and CQE_SKIP. This one means that we may post a notification, but there are no events to be found. It just needs to be clear that an eventfd notification just means that you can check for events, it doesn't tell you anything about the number of events that may be available. Spurious events should be avoid, if possible, and are worse than batched ones imho. Getting an eventfd notification yet having no events available is silly. -- Jens Axboe
