On Wednesday 24 September 2014 10:19:38 Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 09/23/2014 10:44 PM, Pali Rohár wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 September 2014 22:31:31 you wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 09/23/2014 10:06 PM, Pali Rohár wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> after big changes in acpi video/i915 code I cannot change
> >>> display brightness on my Dell Latitude E6440 with kernel
> >>> 3.17-rc6. With kernel 3.13 everything worked fine.
> >>>
> >>> More information about this problem:
> >>>
> >>> For configuring brightness on Dell laptops there are 4
> >>> ways: 1) via acpi video driver
> >>> 2) via dell-laptop driver
> >>> 3) via i915 drm driver
> >>> 4) from userspace with special dell SMI call
> >>>
> >>> (e.g with program dellLcdBrightness from libsmbios
> >>> package)
> >>>
> >>> Methods 2) and 4) are same, both making special SMI call
> >>> and Bios handing this request (just 2 is from kernel and
> >>> 4 from userspace)
> >>>
> >>> Method 1) via acpi video driver working, but is not
> >>> perfect. Driver can be used to change brightness (but
> >>> only some levels, probably this depends on acpi/DSDT
> >>> tables), but cannot be used to retrieve current
> >>> brightness (when BIOS/SMI change brightness acpi driver
> >>> report old incorrect value). So I prefer dell-laptop
> >>> driver instead acpi video.
> >>>
> >>> Method 3) working even with 3.17-rc6 kernel but because
> >>> that backlight device exported by i915 is marked as raw,
> >>> desktop programs prefer to use other devices.
> >>>
> >>> Moreover it looks like that methods 1) 2) and 4) just
> >>> forward request to method 3). So in any cased brightness
> >>> is changed by i915 drm driver.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure (correct me if I'm wrong!) but I think that
> >>> intel i915 drm driver accept changes (file
> >>> intel_opregion.c) only if acpi function
> >>> acpi_video_verify_backlight_support() returns true.
> >>>
> >>> Function acpi_video_verify_backlight_support() returns
> >>> true iff: function acpi_video_backlight_support() returns
> >>> true AND at least one of these functions returns false:
> >>> acpi_osi_is_win8()
> >>> acpi_video_use_native_backlight()
> >>> backlight_device_registered(BACKLIGHT_RAW)
> >>>
> >>> On my notebook acpi_osi_is_win8() returns true (as is win8
> >>> compliant), backlight_device_registered(BACKLIGHT_RAW)
> >>> returns true as I'm using intel i915 drm driver with raw
> >>> backlight device and acpi_video_use_native_backlight()
> >>> returns true/false depending on
> >>> "video.use_native_backlight" kernel param. Default is
> >>> true.
> >>>
> >>> So if I want to have working acpi video driver with
> >>> display brightness support I need to boot kernel with
> >>> param: "video.use_native_backlight=0". I tested it with
> >>> kernel 3.17-rc6 and this param really enabled display
> >>> brightness support via acpi video driver -- which is
> >>> good.
> >>>
> >>> Driver dell-laptop creating backligh device for brightness
> >>> control only if acpi_video_backlight_support() returns
> >>> false. There is complicated condition for it and when
> >>> kernel is booted with "video.use_native_backlight=0" that
> >>> function returns true.
> >>>
> >>> So conclusion is: With current code in kernel 3.17-rc6 it
> >>> is not possible to control brightness of display with
> >>> native driver dell-laptop on Dell Latitude E6440 (and
> >>> probably on others too)!!!
> >>>
> >>> And Because laptop is win8 compliant and you create
> >>> decision to use native driver (instead acpi one) it is
> >>> not possible to control display brightness without tweeks
> >>> in kernel cmdline.
> >>>
> >>> As I wrote I would rather to use native dell-laptop driver
> >>> for controlling brightness, but it is not possible.
> >>>
> >>> So how to solve this problem?
> >>>
> >>> Quick solution would be to set use_native_backlight false
> >>> for some Dell laptops which means, that acpi video will be
> >>> used and in this case intel i915 driver will *not* drop
> >>> backlight change request.
> >>>
> >>> Another solution could be to disable check in dell_laptop
> >>> driver and add use_native_backlight=0 to hooks. But this
> >>> create two backlight interfaces (which is not good), but
> >>> only way (for now) how to make dell_laptop working again.
> >>>
> >>> Better and maybe only one proper solution would be to
> >>> teach intel drm i915 driver to not drop backlight change
> >>> request for Dell laptops (or all??). (This allows to work
> >>> both acpi video and dell_laptop drivers without any
> >>> change and with *any* value in param
> >>> use_native_backlight). I think that problematic code is
> >>> in function asle_set_backlight() in file intel_opregion.c
> >>> (but I'm not sure). My idea is that "drop" event function
> >>> it is caused by this commit
> >>> 0b9f7d93ca6109048a4eb06332b666b6e29df4fe (but I'm not
> >>> sure).
> >>>
> >>> At least something must be done as I think that I'm not
> >>> only one who has Dell laptop and brightness configuration
> >>> is really important...
> >>
> >> I don't understand your problem, the kernel is selecting
> >> the i915 backlight driver, making that the only one
> >> available to userspace, so the one problem you state with
> >> the i915 driver, that it is "raw" is not an issue, as
> >> userspace will pick it when it is the only one.
> >
> > It is not only one.
>
> Are you sure, if you do not specify any commandline
> parameters, then neither dell-laptop nor acpi-video should
> register a backlight interface.
>
> dell-laptop.c has:
>
> #ifdef CONFIG_ACPI
> /* In the event of an ACPI backlight being available,
> don't * register the platform controller.
> */
> if (acpi_video_backlight_support())
> return 0;
> #endif
>
> And acpi_video_backlight_support() will (normally) return true
> on acpi-backlight capable systems independent of
> use_native_backlight.
>
> And drivers/acpi/video.c has this:
>
> /* no warning message if acpi_backlight=vendor or a
> quirk is used */ if (!acpi_video_verify_backlight_support())
> return;
>
> ...
>
> bool acpi_video_verify_backlight_support(void)
> {
> if (acpi_osi_is_win8() &&
> acpi_video_use_native_backlight() &&
> backlight_device_registered(BACKLIGHT_RAW)) return false;
> return acpi_video_backlight_support();
> }
>
> So unlike the check in dell-laptop this one does depend on the
> use_native_backlight setting.
>
It depends (see my previous mail). Here is code:
static bool acpi_video_use_native_backlight(void)
{
if (use_native_backlight_param != -1)
return use_native_backlight_param;
else
return use_native_backlight_dmi;
}
> I've just checked 3.17 on my E6430 and there this works as it
> should, I only get the intel_backlight in
> /sys/class/backlight
>
> > Also dell-laptop (or acpi video) backlight
> > interface is created (depends on use_native_backlight
> > param). And userspace will pick dell-laptop (or acpi video)
> > to use (which cannot change brightness).
> >
> >> Why would you want to use dell-laptop despite the i915
> >> driver working fine ?
> >
> > i915 working only if I compile kernel without acpi video
> > dell- laptop support (distributions compile kernel with
> > these drivers) and i915 is not good for usage. First it
> > provides more then thousand brightness levels and lot of
> > (with low numbers) completely turn display off. And if
> > userspace map these thousand levels into 5-10 levels (as
> > nobody want to press brightness key up/down 1000x) two
> > lowest levels cause display off.
>
> More and more laptops will only have working backlight control
> at all when using i915, so userspace will need to learn to
> better deal with backlight controls with these ranges. And
> low pwm levels turning the backlight of is normal for raw
> interfaces, if userspace does not want this, then they should
> not go so low.
>
So then kernel should report which low levels turn backlight off
so userspace will know which levels should avoid. But this is not
implemented yet.
> I suggest that you file a bug against your desktop environment
> that it is not using the backlight controls in an optimal
> manner, from the kernel pov everything is working fine.
>
Once I will know which levels should not DE use I can report bug.
> > With acpi
> > video and dell-laptop driver levels are mapped into small
> > level space in perfect way. So this is reason I want to use
> > dell-laptop for controlling brightness.
>
> If you want to use dell-laptop, specify acpi_backlight=vendor
> on the kernel commandline, that will give you dell_laptop +
> intel_backlight as backlight interfaces, and userspace should
> prefer dell_laptop.
With acpi_backlight=vendor dell-laptop is not working, see my
previous mail. In this case intel i915 drm driver ignore bios
events for changing brightness. And userspace prefer to use
dell_laptop which do nothing!
> But IMHO it would be better to file a bug
> with your desktop environment, and get that fixed to work
> properly with intel_backlight (or with raw backlight
> interfaces in general).
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans
>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Hans
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Pali Rohár
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