> Stating as if it were fact packagers are not able to keep up is somewhat > of a faux pas, and seriously frowned upon by yours sincerely. It's not that you can't keep up, it's that you don't keep up. The reasons behind the lag are usually quite understandable, but regardless, those who need the most recent versions of these packages often have to look outside the distribution's packages. Faux pas or not, it's the truth. :) John -- John Madden / Sr UNIX Systems Engineer Office of Technology / Ivy Tech Community College of Indiana Free Software is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of Free as in 'free speech,' not as in 'free beer.' -- Richard Stallman ---- Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/