Hi Randy,
We probably at some core level disagree about whether "informational
text that explains how it is expected to be used" is in-and-of-itself
"normative"; I think in IETF documents, that's really all that it means.
But that might be moot: If the NENA document is going to be updated to
describe the how clients and servers are to use the tag, why not simply
remove sections 3 & 4 from this document and put in a reference to the
NENA document as "Work In Progress"? If the IETF is not defining how the
tag is going to be used, then point to the document that will.
In its current state, the document reads like protocol to me and
therefore worthy of standards track. If you truly want simply a
registration, make the reference and it will be a perfectly reasonable
Informational document.
pr
On 8 Mar 2020, at 15:22, Randall Gellens wrote:
Hi Pete,
The document adds a tag. It also contains informational text that
explains how it is expected to be used. There isn't any normative
text. Once the tag is defined, then NENA i3 will be updated to refer
to it, and to mandate how NENA-compliant clients and servers use it.
But a non-NENA-i3 client or server can use the tag or not as they
wish.
--Randall
On 8 Mar 2020, at 12:59, Pete Resnick wrote:
Hi Randy,
Section 3 of the document defines the operations that one must
perform in order to use the tag. It explains how to go beyond what
5222 provides by defining which order to look up the servers and what
to do depending on the results received. It changes the discovery
procedure defined in 5222. The fact that it is backwards compatible
and doesn't break 5222 implementations is good, but it doesn't make
it any less a protocol. Indeed, if it is an "optimization" of an
existing protocol, that makes it a protocol. I can't see any other
way of describing section 3.
pr
On 8 Mar 2020, at 14:27, Randall Gellens wrote:
Hi Pete,
I don't see this as a new protocol. It is a new service tag that is
optional to use. Not using it won't break anything that wouldn't be
broken without the tag being defined. Using it is an optimization.
I see the draft as only adding a new tag, not defining a new
protocol.
--Randall
On 7 Mar 2020, at 8:52, Pete Resnick via Datatracker wrote:
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Document: draft-gellens-lost-validation-05
Reviewer: Pete Resnick
Review Date: 2020-03-07
IETF LC End Date: 2020-03-31
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Summary:
Abstract, Scope, and Introduction do not accurately reflect the
content of the
document, which is not simply a registration.
Major issues:
The Abstract and sections 1 & 2 (Scope and Introduction) indicate
that this
document is simply an IANA registration of an S-NAPTR Application
Service Tag.
However, section 3 is quite clearly new protocol, some of which
changes how RFC
5222 implementations should operate if used in a particular
context, and
section 4 lays out the backward compatibility of this new protocol
with legacy
RFC 5222 implementations. There is the implication that the NENA i3
documents
will actually be the home of that protocol, but the current i3
document
referenced here does not do so, making this document the canonical
statement of
the protocol operations necessary to implement the i3 architecture.
That
doesn't seem appropriate for an Informational document that
purports to simply
be a registration.
At the very least, the Abstract, Scope, and Intro would need to be
updated to
reflect the actual contents of the document. I think things would
be better
served by making this a Proposed Standard document so that it gets
the
appropriate level of review. I understand from the Shepherd writeup
that the
ECRIT WG doesn't have the energy to really work on this document.
However, this
is a simple enough extension to the LoST protocol that I think it's
unproblematic to have it as an AD-sponsored standards track
document.
--
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