Hi. I may be making the same point Jordi is trying to make but am not sure. I see three major sets of issues, especially for those of us with chronic respiratory problems that are assumed to put us at high risk. For the latter, specific "don't go" instructions are likely to come fairly late in the process. As as example, in my case, I asked about early registration and cheap (non-refundable) flight arrangements and was told not to do it but, if I get actual "don't go" instructions, they probably won't come we are in to March. Specifically: (1) Were the powers-that-be to decide to cancel, we could try going to an all-remote meeting, but I think that would require considerable advanced planning and organizings. I'm guessing that, were we to cancel more than a month in advance of the scheduled meeting start, we could sort that out although it would require some effort. A week or two in advance, it gets a lot less likely and the odds of losing a third of a year (or discovering that IETF f2f meetings have become unimportant) are quite high. (2) With the understanding that no meeting is typical, for a f2f meeting there are going to be people (or their companies) who are on the hook for: (i) Visa application fees and related costs (ii) Flight and related reservations, possibly including insurance costs (iii) Time away from "normal"/ "day job" work (iv) Hotel reservations (v) IETF Registration fee Even if a company is covering those costs, they could reasonably not take kindly to having a meeting whose expenses were justified on the basis of what could be accomplished for the company canceled with no possibility payoff Now, of these, the IETF registration fee may, and usually does, represent a small fraction of the total. Of the others, only the hotel reservations are likely to be able to be cancelled without penalty, especially if someone has bought non-refundable tickets and signed up for the meeting on an "early-bird" basis to get the lowest registration fee (some companies won't allow anything else). The costs related to visa applications are rarely refundable even if the visa are denied. And, of course, if someone gets (or does not need) a visa and flies to somewhere close to the meeting location but then is quarantined there for a couple of weeks, it may be impossible to cancel the hotel and the flight(s) toward the meeting location will already have been taken. I think this leads to two conclusions: (a) In many cases, the offer to refund the registration fee if a visa cannot be obtained covers only a small fraction of the costs and, more important, covers only a small fraction of the reasons why someone might not be able to attend after planning to do so. (b) If one is actually going to cancel, we are far better off doing it early rather than last-minute (which might include waiting for WHO or national health authority advice). best, john --On Thursday, February 13, 2020 14:42 +0000 Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg=40ericsson.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > It is possible to participate in IETF meeting sessions > remotely. > > Regards, > > Christer > > > 伀渀 ㌀⼀ ㈀⼀㈀ ㈀ Ⰰ 㘀⸀㌀㔀Ⰰ ∀椀攀琀昀 漀渀 戀攀栀愀氀昀 漀昀 䄀氀攀砀愀渀搀爀攀ഀ㸀 倀攀琀爀攀猀挀甀∀ 㰀椀攀琀昀ⴀ戀漀甀渀挀攀猀䀀椀攀琀昀⸀漀爀最 漀渀 戀攀栀愀氀昀 漀昀ഀ㸀 愀氀攀砀愀渀搀爀攀⸀瀀攀琀爀攀猀挀甀䀀最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഀ㸀 ഀ㸀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀琀 猀栀漀��氀搀 戀攀 挀愀渀挀攀氀氀攀搀⸀ഀ㸀 ഀ㸀 䤀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀 最漀漀搀 瀀攀爀猀瀀攀挀琀椀瘀攀 琀漀 挀愀渀挀攀氀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 椀猀ഀ㸀 搀攀愀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 甀渀搀攀爀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀 挀椀爀挀甀洀猀琀愀渀挀攀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀ഀ㸀 渀攀攀搀 漀昀 攀��挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀猀⸀ഀഀ
