>> openid foundation comes to mind > > I wonder how many members they have? https://openid.net/foundation/benefits-members/ Again, a serious question. > Whats a member and how many does the IETF have and how is that metric related to (say) the impact of an SDO? Do you always answer a question with a question? :) Comparing sizes might show some interesting things. For example, if an SDO is dominated by three big companies and everyone else is there just to get early access and do rubber-stamping, that doesn't fit the IETF model very well.