On 9/3/19 7:04 AM, Keith Moore wrote: > On 9/3/19 10:00 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > >> Keith Moore wrote on 03/09/2019 14:51: >>> And maybe you shouldn't be trying to shout down people >> >> This is your 16th email on the topic since yesterday morning GMT. >> >> Who's shouting at whom? > > I'm just sending replies to people arguing for censorship. What I > wonder is, why aren't more people objecting?
Well I certainly object but you are quite capably handling it. I do think the SAA role has been abused in order to squelch discussion.
Exactly. I strongly object as well, but Keith is doing a great job of making all the points I would have made, and doing it a lot quicker than I possibly could. (I'm the sort who finally thinks of the better argument on the car ride home...) I'm only responding now because it seems it's now become necessary to show support - despite being told in the past that simple shows of support are nothing but useless clutter.
I am particularly appalled by the message Masataka Ohta received from a SAA, namely:
> We understand that this style of communication was accepted (if > not encouraged) in the past, but it is no longer the expectation > now.
Perhaps I missed it but who decided that which was encouraged in the past is now forbidden? And given that he states there was no additional guidance in that diktat this has the potential of becoming Kafkaesque if we don't put a stop to it.
Culture arises organically, not top-down. If IETF culture changes it won't be from the leadership deciding among themselves what it will be and then to use the SAA to impose it.
Leadership may not be able to create new culture, but it can most definitely damage an existing one. Ned
